Future Expansions

Borix · 05-23-2003

Well it seems that there are at least two more expansions heading our way according to some rumours.

One of the big questions in such a case is: "What ways of personal improvements are we going to see, Levels or AA's?".

I really really hope they are NOT going to add some levels. I'm certainly not impressed by the xp prison they created with the PoP expansion.

So, lets hope it is going to be AA's. But maybe now with the goal to make people a bit more distinct. Otherwise everybody is going to take the same AA's again (ND3, CA3, CS3, etc. Yawn). There are some ways in which this could be accomplished.

# Racial AA's (Examples)
Ogre: Stalwart Endurance 4 (complete immunity)
Vah Shir: Slam
Troll: Ultravision

# Diety AA's (But then also including special AA's for the Agnostic folk).

# Or AA's which have a pre-requisite like "And NOT having Combat Stability".

Anyhow just some thoughts.

Borix

Beornegar · 05-23-2003

I'm thinking that at least one of the expansions is going to add more zones with high level content to get rid of that "xp prison". At least I hope so.
Oh, and if you're going to do racial AA's, how bout this one:

Barbarian:
Berserker Frenzy - lasts for a set amount of time per character level, works just like going berserk does now(or maybe tweak it a bit).....we are savages after all.

Give it a reasonable refresh duration during which you're tired from berzerking and cant use it again. (Please not something ridiculous like 60 minutes)

Beo

NinjaBurger · 05-23-2003

Yeah, and iksar warriors better get the abilility to breate fire....THAT would be cool....=p

GSW · 05-23-2003

Personally i think the levels and AAs are fine. PoP made getting from 50 to 60 trivial, but when 1-2 lvl 65's can take out a kunark dragon like gore adding more levels would only make the old world and kunark game even easier. Raising the level cap to 70 would make it entirely too easy. As for racial/diety AAs, this is a good idea but it might screw things up. If you give ogres an AA that makes them much better tanks, you'll be getting lots of hatemail from everyone else. Some more interesting AAs than they have right now would be nice though, as long as they don't mess things up.

What i'd really like to see is more revamps to older zones that would make people want to go there and balance out the number of people in certain places. Enough with expansions, just improve the older things to make the entire game, lvls 1 through 65, enjoyable. Also, would be nice to see some lower and mid level quests that people will want to do, as well as fun events.

Gunrack · 05-23-2003

I had a question pretaining to what GSW said about racial things... the truth is.. putting all the work aside that everyone has gone thru.. shouldn't race actually matter more than it does?

Pixie warrior ..... would be gay as all hells if an ogre couldn't tank better... a gnome? Again I am putting EQ in its current format aside... race should always hold an advantage somehow..

D&D example.. Dwarfs are great warriors due to +CON... but humans they get an extra feat.. this actually makes it balanced and a hard choice to make.. but of course I always forget.. in the D&D world you play in.. its only you or a handfull in EQ there is TONS to keep satisfied... anyways.. just typing out thoughts

Mofu-Troll · 05-23-2003

A pixie would be much harder to hit than an ogre.

Mofu

Baadan · 05-23-2003

So would a Gnome, Halfling, Dwarf. and they would have less HP

Iksars would mitigate more damage due to scales.

Wood Elves, Half Elves, Humans have average avoidance (ala small people) and average endurance (ala large people)

Barbarians, Trolls, Ogres, Vah Shir are easier to hit but have more HP.

05-25-2003

Quote:

Iksars would mitigate more damage due to scales.

They already tried this remember? And literally slaughtered the Iksar's ability to level anything near quickly like all other races (Especially before the class penalties were raised), and for what? infravision (75% of the races of Norrath have that), AC bonus (50ac differnece for tanks at 65 means jack and shit), and 18hp regen at 65...now that's something that was actually worth a damn.

Throag · 05-25-2003

Deity or racial AA? Worst idea ever.
Remember cultural armor ? No thx.

Kaldanm · 05-25-2003

Quote:

# Racial AA's (Examples)
Ogre: Stalwart Endurance 4 (complete immunity)
Vah Shir: Slam
Troll: Ultravision

# Diety AA's (But then also including special AA's for the Agnostic folk).

It could be a great IF there is a real balance in the possible AAs,not like cultural.

For exemple some king of "scale rune" for Iksars, cost 3-6-9, and add a rune of 50, 150, 300 hp. (renew time : 90 mins). or a dwarven endurance (reduce poison and disease damage by 5, 10 and 20%).

Rodney · 05-25-2003

What I would like to see is NO changes in AA's lvl's spells, why add to the problem that is already here. Just add new content and fix what is broken.

Rodney
Overlord CT

Gunrack · 05-25-2003

Well, indeed that is what they should do... /agreed Rodney adding to content and using all other efforts to fix what is broken sounds great also!

Frodlin7th · 05-25-2003

I'm not buying a damn thing if they're devoting their time to new content and not addressing warriors' REAL concerns

Dobbo Baggins · 05-25-2003

lol same as frod until our % of taunt working is higher.

05-25-2003

Please, god, no more new @#$@#%#@ing AA's. I have no desire to slog through even *more* AA just so I can have what I'm *expected* to have..and never get to get any fun stuff.

05-23-2003	#1
Borix Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Future Expansions Well it seems that there are at least two more expansions heading our way according to some rumours. One of the big questions in such a case is: "What ways of personal improvements are we going to see, Levels or AA's?". I really really hope they are NOT going to add some levels. I'm certainly not impressed by the xp prison they created with the PoP expansion. So, lets hope it is going to be AA's. But maybe now with the goal to make people a bit more distinct. Otherwise everybody is going to take the same AA's again (ND3, CA3, CS3, etc. Yawn). There are some ways in which this could be accomplished. # Racial AA's (Examples) Ogre: Stalwart Endurance 4 (complete immunity) Vah Shir: Slam Troll: Ultravision # Diety AA's (But then also including special AA's for the Agnostic folk). # Or AA's which have a pre-requisite like "And NOT having Combat Stability". Anyhow just some thoughts. Borix

05-23-2003	#3
NinjaBurger /pizza w/anchovies kthx Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,788 Rep Power: 22	Yeah, and iksar warriors better get the abilility to breate fire....THAT would be cool....=p __________________ [07:15] * tigol slaps Saga\|Gruntwork around a bit with a large trout [07:16] <Saga\|rupert> tigol you think you could slap people around 43 percent more with bos? [07:16] * tigol slaps Saga\|rupert around a bit with a large trout

05-23-2003	#5
Gunrack Defender of the Balance Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Age: 34 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 21	I had a question pretaining to what GSW said about racial things... the truth is.. putting all the work aside that everyone has gone thru.. shouldn't race actually matter more than it does? Pixie warrior ..... would be gay as all hells if an ogre couldn't tank better... a gnome? Again I am putting EQ in its current format aside... race should always hold an advantage somehow.. D&D example.. Dwarfs are great warriors due to +CON... but humans they get an extra feat.. this actually makes it balanced and a hard choice to make.. but of course I always forget.. in the D&D world you play in.. its only you or a handfull in EQ there is TONS to keep satisfied... anyways.. just typing out thoughts __________________ Gunrack Overlord of Rallos Zek Defenders of the Balance "As I walk into the valley of shadow and death, I fear no evil, for I, am the meanest son of a bitch in it."

05-23-2003	#7
Baadan Get a GSoT ~!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 26 Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 23	So would a Gnome, Halfling, Dwarf. and they would have less HP Iksars would mitigate more damage due to scales. Wood Elves, Half Elves, Humans have average avoidance (ala small people) and average endurance (ala large people) Barbarians, Trolls, Ogres, Vah Shir are easier to hit but have more HP. __________________ Baadan - 80 Warrior "Every time I hear that dirty word 'exercise,' I wash my mouth out with chocolate."

05-25-2003	#9
Throag Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Age: 30 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 21	Deity or racial AA? Worst idea ever. Remember cultural armor ? No thx. __________________ Throag Grimcrag - Overlord of Novae -

05-23-2003	#2
Beornegar Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 778 Rep Power: 21	I'm thinking that at least one of the expansions is going to add more zones with high level content to get rid of that "xp prison". At least I hope so. Oh, and if you're going to do racial AA's, how bout this one: Barbarian: Berserker Frenzy - lasts for a set amount of time per character level, works just like going berserk does now(or maybe tweak it a bit).....we are savages after all. Give it a reasonable refresh duration during which you're tired from berzerking and cant use it again. (Please not something ridiculous like 60 minutes) Beo

05-23-2003	#4
GSW Veteran User Join Date: May 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 193 Rep Power: 21	Personally i think the levels and AAs are fine. PoP made getting from 50 to 60 trivial, but when 1-2 lvl 65's can take out a kunark dragon like gore adding more levels would only make the old world and kunark game even easier. Raising the level cap to 70 would make it entirely too easy. As for racial/diety AAs, this is a good idea but it might screw things up. If you give ogres an AA that makes them much better tanks, you'll be getting lots of hatemail from everyone else. Some more interesting AAs than they have right now would be nice though, as long as they don't mess things up. What i'd really like to see is more revamps to older zones that would make people want to go there and balance out the number of people in certain places. Enough with expansions, just improve the older things to make the entire game, lvls 1 through 65, enjoyable. Also, would be nice to see some lower and mid level quests that people will want to do, as well as fun events.

05-23-2003	#6
Mofu-Troll Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 151 Rep Power: 21	A pixie would be much harder to hit than an ogre. Mofu

05-25-2003	#11
Rodney Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Age: 62 Posts: 82 Rep Power: 21	What I would like to see is NO changes in AA's lvl's spells, why add to the problem that is already here. Just add new content and fix what is broken. Rodney Overlord CT

05-25-2003	#13
Frodlin7th Warrior Correspondent Join Date: Apr 2003 Age: 45 Posts: 2,488 Rep Power: 23	I'm not buying a damn thing if they're devoting their time to new content and not addressing warriors' REAL concerns __________________

05-25-2003	#14
Dobbo Baggins king of the halfling mafia Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Redmond, washington Age: 23 Posts: 1,728 Rep Power: 22	lol same as frod until our % of taunt working is higher.

05-25-2003	#15
Thak Guest Posts: n/a	Please, god, no more new @#$@#%#@ing AA's. I have no desire to slog through even more AA just so I can have what I'm expected to have..and never get to get any fun stuff.

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