Weapon proc rates.

[wandor]

Originally posted by Brodda Thep
Should just be albe to look at the procrate mod on lucy's to see how much it will proc, right?

cool, when did they add that?

[ffcnemesis]

Posted by Kakhisha in the Shadowknight´s forum

The thread:

http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/s...threadid=19192

The post:

http://www.shadowknight.org/forums/s...5&pagenumber=3

Hi. I have been trying to find a way to determine relative proc rates of weapons using the data collected by item collectors. Lucy doesn't show most of the information that it doesn't know the purpose of, but eqemu's database has everything. I have downloaded it, and by looking at cleric weapons and other things, I have found a field that seems to be related to proc rate.

The field is called unknown070 by the eqemu database. It does not appear to be collected by Lucy/Alla. There are only 38 items in the game that have a non-zero value for this field. Here is what I found...



code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------select id, Name, unknown070, nodrop from items where unknown070 != 0 order by unknown070;

+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
| id | Name | unknown070 | nodrop |
+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
| 28849 | Cudgel of Cowardly Death | -50 | 0 |
| 28908 | Dark Mace of Thought | -20 | 0 |
| 28917 | Dagger of Thought | -20 | 0 |
| 22998 | Ethereal Destroyer | -15 | 0 |
| 8899 | Snowchipper | -10 | 255 |
| 8903 | Spiked Velium Mallet | -10 | 255 |
| 7906 | Pebble Crusher | 1 | 0 |
| 8430 | Bloody Stone Dagger | 2 | 255 |
| 52071 | Tarantella | 2 | 0 |
| 8495 | Claw of the Savage Spirit | 3 | 0 |
| 26566 | Ishinaear Xiall | 3 | 0 |
| 26585 | Acrylia Handled Broadsword | 3 | 0 |
| 7399 | Soulbane | 4 | 255 |
| 8095 | Partisan of Stampede | 4 | 0 |
| 8102 | Mithril Knuckles | 4 | 255 |
| 19810 | Fireclaw Talons | 5 | 255 |
| 26587 | The Sword of Ssraeshza | 5 | 0 |
| 8916 | Silver Blade of Thunder | 10 | 255 |
| 9264 | Fiercewind | 10 | 255 |
| 24587 | Ivory Hilted Cleaver | 10 | 0 |
| 22879 | Obsidian Scimitar of War | 25 | 0 |
| 26599 | Caen's Bo Staff of Fury | 25 | 0 |
| 22999 | Darkblade of the Warlord | 30 | 0 |
| 24780 | Greatstaff of the Four Winds | 30 | 0 |
| 24790 | Corpsegrinder | 30 | 255 |
| 26738 | Fiery Staff of Zha | 50 | 0 |
| 28855 | Bloodfrenzy | 55 | 0 |
| 7822 | Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled | 65 | 0 |
| 22946 | Kelp Hilted Mace | 70 | 0 |
| 3820 | Barbed Fishing Net | 100 | 0 |
| 21878 | Pile Driver | 100 | 255 |
| 24793 | Greatstaff of Power | 180 | 0 |
| 5800 | Hammer of Judgment | 250 | 0 |
| 15996 | Hammer of Divinity | 325 | 0 |
| 5798 | Hammer of Souls | 450 | 0 |
| 22898 | Withering Staff of Agony | 530 | 0 |
| 22907 | Furious Hammer of Zek | 530 | 0 |
| 29365 | Hammer of Damnation | 530 | 0 |
+-------+---------------------------------+------------+--------+
38 rows in set (0.36 sec)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am pretty firmly of the mindset that this *is* the field that determines unusual proc rates. Note that each of the cleric summoned hammers (Judgment, Divinity, Souls, Damantion) has a progressively higher value, and the Vallon Zek and Saryn hammers have the same value as the best summoned hammer. Also, the Cudgel you guys are talking about has the lowest value.

I have no parses though, so I don't know how this value translates into acutal units of time.

Can you perhaps use this information along with your parses to get some understanding of this?

Sorry, cant know how to handle the table aspect.

[Sarelin]

Are the proc rates likely to be 2+X/100 per minute or 2 + X% of 2?

Take the BF one makes it 2.55 procs, the other makes it 3.1 procs per minute.

The 530 mods would make those weapons proc 7.3 or 12.6 per minute. 12.6 seems too high to me so I reckon its 2 procs per minute + This_Mod/100.

[Ciae Redemption]

The 530 mods would make those weapons proc 7.3 or 12.6 per minute.

530-mod weapons get 12.6 PPM.

PPM (assuming 305 dex) = 2((100 + unknown_070)/100)

[Vladymir]

do augments take the procrate of the weapon, or their own value?

Logic would agree with the other couple posts about it already, http://eqemulator.net/item.php?id=MTM1MTAwLjMwMjA4MDg5 has a 070 number of 0, I did not check every aug, though. Why would they have a number of their own otherwise is the logic?

However the best way would be for someone to take a Bloodfrenzy and aug it with whatever (the one above is a cheap 40pt aug from Tak) then parse it... if you are getting as many procs as the main BF proc, then you know it IS dependent on the weapon.

[Ciae Redemption]

However the best way would be for someone to take a Bloodfrenzy and aug it with whatever (the one above is a cheap 40pt aug from Tak) then parse it... if you are getting as many procs as the main BF proc, then you know it IS dependent on the weapon.

No, read my post on the first page. Clerics have already done this - Furious Hammer of Zek = 12.6PPM, any aug proc = 2PPM. Augmented procs are independent of a weapon's innate proc, and use the standard 2PPM.

[felgarmcewan]

Scepter of destruction is not in there

[wandor]

Originally posted by felgarmcewan
Scepter of destruction is not in there

SoD was parsed as normal long ago on this board. Do a search for BoC and SoD procs, you'll find it.

[Wilhelmm_Lanys]

I'm curious as to one thing. It's listed that Hategiver and Blade of Carnage have the same proc rates, but almost everyone seems to agree that HG procs far more often than a BoC does.

[Panazule]

I have a HG and a BoC and honestly I notice no real difference in proc rates between the two of them.

I also have a Anger III augment on the sword from Maestro (15/19 with the 160dd poison proc) and from using that sword in primary it appears, no parse info to prove this, but it the naked eye that that the rage proc somehow coincides with the proc rate of the items innate effect.

I have anger III on my HG/BoC and my Anathema and while there is no way to tell them apart log wise since they seem to have identical messages, the items seem to have easily doubled the twists in fury messages.

Before I had anger III on my BoC, I had the ykesha proc on my BoC and I must say that Ykesha proc went off like MAD, again leading me to believe that it somehow was tied into the proc rate of the parent effect.

Just speculation, If I get some free time I'll actually try to parse some things although it will be more difficult to now since the dd proc is now off of my BoC since they upped the hate on the Anger III.

Very good thread and informative, will be good to see more results on this down the road.

[slyse]

aug proc rates are independant of their parent weapon's proc rate. Look at the parse I posted on page one to see if the list was accurate...obsidian scim (+25% to proc rate, according to the table) had about 2.5ppm, while anger had about 2.

[richardkent]

Well,

Call me silly, but it appears the numbers are pretty easy to calculate.

Lets look at some key items from the shadowknight table and compare them to Wandor's numbers:

| 8899 | Snowchipper | -10 | 255 |
Snowchipper has -10 to its proc mod. What if it is -10%? The default proc rate being 2ppm * 0.90 = 1.8ppm

| 28855 | Bloodfrenzy | 55 | 0 |
Bloodfrenzy has +55 to its proc mod. So, 2ppm * 1.55 = 3.1ppm

| 3820 | Barbed Fishing Net | 100 | 0 |
Barbed fishing net 100, so 2ppm * 2.00 = 4ppm.

| 22907 | Furious Hammer of Zek | 530 | 0 |
The zek hammer would be 2ppm * 6.30 = 12.6ppm

Seems to make sense. I assume Wandor calculated his numbers in the fashion? or were they from parsing?

NOTE: Keep in mind that percentages equate to % / 100. So 100% = 100/100 = 1. 90% = 90/100 = 0.90, etc.

[wandor]

These numbers are all calculated using the unknown070 field that is now being called procrate mob on Lucy. Most people have an easier time relating to PPM than 15% more procs. The standard baseline weapon proc rate comes from parses.

[Callon]

For mainhand weapons:
305 DEX - 2.0 ppm
205 DEX - 1.5 ppm
105 DEX - 1.0 ppm

For offhand weapons:
105 DEX = .5 proc/min
205 DEX = .75 proc/min
305 DEX = 1 proc/min

why would this be true? Dual wield fires something like 80% of the time at L65, so wouldn't you expect the proc rate to be a similar percentage of the number of primary hand procs?

[Brutul]

Originally posted by Callon
why would this be true? Dual wield fires something like 80% of the time at L65, so wouldn't you expect the proc rate to be a similar percentage of the number of primary hand procs?

You would expect so. But it's not, I don't know why but Wandor's numbers come from much parsing by many different people.