SOE spurred on by warrior calls for nerf will shorty nerf....Warriors

[Shikarii]

Mvreena needs to post up her recent purchases at Bath and Body Works for some well needed relevance to this thread.

[Mvreena]

But I wouldn't want to get you boys too excited...I know how y'all love the stuff from bath and body works

[Britty]

Sony can take back rampage. I wouldnt miss it, and really I don't think many would miss it. Hell, I'd go so far as to say take it OFF warriors and give KNIGHTS rampage just so they can spend AA on a skill that is probably the last of the warrior line of AA's that most would consider getting because its so situational as to be almost useless.

But...BUT...all I want in return is the best damage mitigation table in the game across any class as a warrior. Sounds fair right? FFS we are WARRIORS, plate bearing 100% melee skilled tanks who have no other utility than to hit and to be hit. Thats what we do, thats ALL we do, we dont get spells, buffs and utilities like knights do. Quit your BS about how you were sympathetic. In Kunark when you guys thought you were way behind the 8 ball Verant/Sony looked into your classes and they put in changes which fixed YOU. Knights have been looked into so much there is no definitive line between warriors and knights anymore. We are still pulling our puds waiting waiting waiting.

Sharing the same mitigation table with knights is downright ludicrous and just plain unfair in the philosphy of how the classes were created. Duel wield DPS needs a boost, because lets face it it's 99% of a warriors bread and butter DPS apart from the top end dudes who have BoW/SeWs etc etc. 2 weapons should output a shitload more DPS for warriors than it does currently. I'm not out to upset rangers since I don't want ranger level DPS, but FFS it should be a lot better DPS than it is now.

Not our frikeen fault you guys decided to play hybrids, for being hybrid you by definition are jacks of all trades and masters of none. Warriors however arent even masters of their own domain anymore. You are here because you KNOW whats going to happen. Coming to us while shaking in your little chair because the wave is coming over the horizon is indicative of you guys not minding us being held underwater like we are, so long as no one lets us up for air.

Nerfing ourselves? A paladin just tanked Quarm you lunatic...and so has an SK. Given a few more weeks and some more Time gear youll see a Monk tank Quarm, it's just a matter of time...and warriors will get to sit on the sidelines sucking their thumbs. Remember how warriors were pigeonholed into a role "Well, you guys still hold the role of raid tanks" well thats no longer seems to hold true either now. Nerfing ourselves? I don't think collectively as a class it could get any WORSE don't you?

I don't want knight classes nerfed, I don't want any classes nerfed...I want warriors to be raised to the status of WARRIORS, not hybrids without spells or utility.

Get a life.

[Thaak]

Originally posted by Britty
You are here because you KNOW whats going to happen. Coming to us while shaking in your little chair because the wave is coming over the horizon is indicative of you guys not minding us not being held underwater like we are, so long as no one lets us up for air.

Mind if I borrow this quote? Because that owned.

[Tugurok]

Why does newtank think anyone here cares what he or any other knight thinks? He appears to be laboring under the delusion that his beliefs and that of knights, or any player in EQ (including ourselves), has something to do with changes SoE makes to the game. We've lost "allies" because of shakerpaging? lol

So what?

And hell, it's been 4 expansions and 2 years for warriors. These "allies" haven't done much for us up until now. With friends like that...

[Marshall]

Oh nos! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NOW!!??? OMG OMG!!1~

On a serious note, I highly doubt that 'newtank' is a mature or grown up person so it's futile responding to this thread with logic or reason, or even insults. The only explanation is that he/she is a retard, and deserve a just as retarded reply like mine.

[Brutul]

I would like for you to find 1 person that owes more than 2 AAs to the awesome power of earthshaker rampage. You might find someone that owes their guk faction to it, but nobody, and I mean nobody, uses it for experience. I own the secret sword of vorpal uberness and rampage isn't worth the 5 points it would cost me.

[Bunnie Burner]

Lol! This is hilarious...
rampage aoeing overpowered? rofl...
That's about the only "trick" warriors can do, other then .. erm.. I think thats teh only trick we can do...

Bards have been soloing Lodizal, Wizards have been AoEing the BIG PoFire field for hudnreds of AAs....

but oooooo... look at us, we can rampage aoe, using a sword that no longer drops, to get.. erm.. no we dont get aas... to get.. erm.. Guk Faction??

ROFL

I think paladins and SKs are becoming the new "droods"...
those 10 year old kids that roam the boards looking for the easy way to play EQ.
Druid Halflings used to be the way...
now it's Paladin or SK..

[newtank]

Originally posted by Britty


Not our frikeen fault you guys decided to play hybrids, for being hybrid you by definition are jacks of all trades and masters of none. Warriors however arent even masters of their own domain anymore. You are here because you KNOW whats going to happen. Coming to us while shaking in your little chair because the wave is coming over the horizon is indicative of you guys not minding us being held underwater like we are, so long as no one lets us up for air.

Nerfing ourselves? A paladin just tanked Quarm you lunatic...and so has an SK. Given a few more weeks and some more Time gear youll see a Monk tank Quarm, it's just a matter of time...and warriors will get to sit on the sidelines sucking their thumbs. Remember how warriors were pigeonholed into a role "Well, you guys still hold the role of raid tanks" well thats no longer seems to hold true either now. Nerfing ourselves? I don't think collectively as a class it could get any WORSE don't you?

I don't want knight classes nerfed, I don't want any classes nerfed...I want warriors to be raised to the status of WARRIORS, not hybrids without spells or utility.

Get a life.

3 Warriors do ~30,000 DPS its no big deal don't worry nothing to see here. 1 Pally tanks Quarm omfg the world is ending...sigh.

For those of you remember the old warrior role and standing you will never get that back. It was unbalanced in your favor. Knights could only get groups when warriors were not to be had. Your attitude then as now was its not our fault you chose to be hybrids. You can hope and hope those days are coming back but they are not.

Having said that I support a large increase in warrior UTILITY and a very small increase in warrior overall power.

As for master of something warriors are the master of situational dps by a good factor of 5 from what I can see. As well as situational tanking by a factor of 2. Situational dps in bezerker is not too bad either.

But if you are expecting to have sk agro, defensive on all the time, 20% more hp, and much better melee dps you are gonna be sitting in pok for a long damn time. If you are looking for knights to be nerfed so that one pally can't tank Quarm you gonna be sitting in pok even longer.

Have a nice day
=)

[Thaak]

Originally posted by newtank
As for master of something warriors are the master of situational dps by a good factor of 5 from what I can see. As well as situational tanking by a factor of 2.

YOU = FUCKING IDIOT

Got it?

[Aldarion_Shard]

For those of you remember the old warrior role and standing you will never get that back. It was unbalanced in your favor. Knights could only get groups when warriors were not to be had.

Son, youve just defined balance in the same paragraph as you claim it was unbalanced. Warriors should, by definition, always be the first choice for tank. Just as rogues should be for damage, and clerics for healing.

Come back when you can at least put a few sentences in between contradictory statements. This is just too easy.

[Britty]

Newtank, your reply is full of just pure rhetoric. You pull out one or 2 innane points to my/our responses, run away with them and think you are correct.

Don't make me quote how much DPS 3 knights against undead can do with CF3 and SU3 because youll be mighty embarrased after comparing it to some shitty AA ability we have that no one really uses.

Read my post and tell me where it's wrong, point out where it's wrong with some well thought up arguement and backup which doesn't contradict yourself instead of just posting shit and then MAYBE I may give you some credence, maybe.

[newtank]

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For those of you remember the old warrior role and standing you will never get that back. It was unbalanced in your favor. Knights could only get groups when warriors were not to be had.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aldarion_Shard
Son, youve just defined balance in the same paragraph as you claim it was unbalanced. Warriors should, by definition, always be the first choice for tank. Just as rogues should be for damage, and clerics for healing.

Come back when you can at least put a few sentences in between contradictory statements. This is just too easy. [/QUOTE

This is kunark reasoning.
The fact that you don't mind it at all when it applies to knights really really weakens your case. Surely if you were happy with us being passed over it must not be all that bad now when you passed over....oh well.

I didn't like it when I was passed over for warriors. I feel your pain but those among you who insist that you have to be the tank with knights only being chosen when you not there can sit in pok and cry. But you are hurting the others with a much more realistic view of balance.

[newtank]

Originally posted by Britty
Newtank, your reply is full of just pure rhetoric. You pull out one or 2 innane points to my/our responses, run away with them and think you are correct.

Don't make me quote how much DPS 3 knights against undead can do with CF3 and SU3 because youll be mighty embarrased after comparing it to some shitty AA ability we have that no one really uses.

Read my post and tell me where it's wrong, point out where it's wrong with some well thought up arguement and backup which doesn't contradict yourself instead of just posting shit and then MAYBE I may give you some credence, maybe.

Britty gotta admit the bulk of your post wasn't that bad I just picked it cause you had the its not our fault you chose hybrids line. Which was the whole warrior justification for superiority in kunark.

As for pally my understanding is that they do about 20% more dps against undead with SU3 etc. But that like the ranger bow damage it is easy to get the idea that they are super Gods if you only see a small portion of the parse. Granted a lot more people have used SU3 than the rampage trick.

Most knights I know support making Warriors slightly more powerful and even situationally very powerful like pallies are against undead etc. But you are gonna get a lot more milage out of a large number of situational utility type things than mitigation or agro cause there isn't that much stuff SOE can give you mitigation/agro wise without going back to kunark.

And in all probablity you are going to have to give some at the high end to get anything meaningful at the low end. Unless the bulk of warriors are willing to trade devensive/evasive at the high end where you are obviously superior to sk/pally then how can they make you equal at the low end?

[Partha]

If they can make CH rotations to where Pallies and SK's can tank even the entirety of Tier 5 with no changes in it compared to having a Warrior, how can you claim there's an obvious superiority?