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Old 12-15-2009   #1
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New Aggro Augs

So I see that we can buy Mkrarrg's Striking Stone (Anger IV) and Donup's Striking Stone (Chaotic Force VI). A guildmate said each of these augs is better than our EB aug. I see that Anger IV = 800 aggro, but Chaotic Force VI = 625 aggro (which is less than the EB =700).

So, is there a proc frequency mod Im not aware of that makes the CF VI better or am I missing something (or is he just wrong)?

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Donup's Striking Stone
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85772

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http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85774
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Old 12-15-2009   #2
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The thinking is EB is higher than CF6, and you have the numbers showing that already. So the top agro would be Anger4 and EB still.

Unless ... DMG + Stun is better: Seeker's Eye

2 DMG
1 Chromatic DMG
Stun/79
15 pt DD

That looks very interesting, though I don't know if 3 DMG will make up the 285 agro gap compared to EB ... but if its close, I would likely that the extra DPS anyway.
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Old 12-16-2009   #3
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I would say the 3DM closes the gap, one would need to use my calculator to be sure as it seams to be borderline, but the utility and damage difference should more than likely make up for the hundreds of hate difference per minute.
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So I see that we can buy Mkrarrg's Striking Stone (Anger IV) and Donup's Striking Stone (Chaotic Force VI). A guildmate said each of these augs is better than our EB aug. I see that Anger IV = 800 aggro, but Chaotic Force VI = 625 aggro (which is less than the EB =700).

So, is there a proc frequency mod Im not aware of that makes the CF VI better or am I missing something (or is he just wrong)?

Thanks for feedback

Ron

Donup's Striking Stone
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85772

Mkrarrg's Striking Stone
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=85774

The reason why they are saying the CF6 is better than the EB is due to the stun up to lvl 85 and the proc dmg. Those two push it over the edge for me to use the CF6 over EB.
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Yeah, I heard it stuns mobs for one sec, which will add some mitigation.
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It wont add as much as you might think but it depends on how fast the mobs attack is...It will certainly help with mitigation but very little. To bad it doesn't reset the mobs attack counter everytime they are stunned.
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Old 12-17-2009   #7
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But you can twin proc it and turn it into a 2 second stun, i've noticed it helping a bit.
Nothing flash but its nice to stun them with my stun augs finally lol
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Back in the day I didn't like them for mitigation so much as caster interrupts.
Do they still function in that way or do modern day mobs shake it off and cast anyway?
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Back in the day I didn't like them for mitigation so much as caster interrupts.
Do they still function in that way or do modern day mobs shake it off and cast anyway?
I think they cast regardless anymore. I have PTAed mobs to interrupt casts and they still get them off. If they can channel though that a stun is not going to stop it.

On another note, someone mentioned twinproc doubling the stun time. I don't think so. Twinproc is instant on the second proc from what I have seen and will make no difference in the time the mob is stunned.
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straight aggro vrs CS

Just saw on a vendor in UF that they are selling an aug with anger 6 on it. They also have an aug with CS (not sure what rank it was but it did 225 damage if that helps). Now when i left a long while ago there was a lot of discussion of the amount of hate that a war can generate with a pair of CS augs in the weapons instead of pure aggro augs. I was wondering if this has been really looked at and if so what the results were. I have searched the site but i cant find anythin particular. If anyone has a link to this thread please post it here. Otherwise would like to try and find a way to figure this out.
atm I ihave enraging blow augs (DoN), if the anger aug from UF vendor Gilbot is substantially more id like to know. My gut says hate augs but as I said the warriors that i knew a while ago ago swore by the CS augs.
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Old 12-17-2009   #11
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Chaotic Force 6 = 225DD + stun to 85 = 225+450 = 675 aggro.
Enraging Blow = 700 direct hate = 700 aggro.

EB is more hate, but you'll want the stun to 85.

There is an Anger 4 aug (800 hate) on the same vendor (Boomerang Game). I'm probably going to go Anger 4 / CF6 for aug procs and put the two EBs in my 2.0 for when I am really getting my ass handed to me in UF and need super-ultra-mega turtle mode.
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What Imain said, except I believe he slightly overestimates the aggro on Chaotic Force 6.

400 is the generally quoted number for stun hate, making the total hate 225 + 400 = 625.

However, as its a level 85 1 second stun, the question is does the stun and the damage offset the lower aggro generation. That would depend on what content you spend most of your time in, whether you lose aggro often (or indeed, at all), and other personal preference.

As I recall, the anger augment is lore, so I'm likely to make a similiar choice to Imaim. I've not yet decided which hand gets what aug, and I still may decide on Rune IV instead of CF VI. (No twinproc on Rune, so I am leaning against it, but have not ruled it out yet).

Its a good position to be in, having these choices. I don't think any of them are "dead wrong", and each have points in their favor.
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Apparently my brain went on Christmas vacation a few days early. Stun hate is indeed 400...
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Probably going with the 2dmg 1 chromo dmg CS (stun up to lvl 79) in off hand.

Main hand I'll probably go with the CF6 aug.
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One more question, if a stun is resisted does the proc still generate the same aggro? Or in the calculation of the resulting proc is only the dd taken into consideration.
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