Heroic Stats - Class Correspondent query

[Grayhelm]

From the dev chat log

"<[EQ]Merloc> I don't know of any specific issues with SoF heroic stats on armor sets, each set has a higher allocation of heroic stats that are desirable to the classes who can equip it."

From the heroic stats patch,

"- Heroic Intelligence: For intelligence-based casters, increases mana pool, mana regen, and the maximum amount of mana regen a character can have.

- Heroic Wisdom: For wisdom-based casters, increases mana pool, mana regen, and the maximum amount of mana regen a character can have."

And now, stats on Martial Steel, WAR only

Bracer
STR: +15+1
DEX: +15+1
STA: +23+2
CHA: +22+1
WIS: +8+1 (no benefit)
INT: +8+1 (no benefit)
AGI: +18+2

Breastplate
STR: +22+2
DEX: +14
STA: +18+4
CHA: +7+2
WIS: +15
INT: +3+1 (move this +1 to DEX)
AGI: +28+2

Gloves
STR: +17+1
DEX: +21+2
STA: +19+2
CHA: +14
WIS: +4
INT: +12+2 (no benefit, move to CHA?)
AGI: +22+4

Legs
STR: +25
DEX: +10
STA: +18+4
CHA: +16
WIS: +12+2 (no benefit, move to STR)
INT: +10+1 (no benefit, move to DEX)
AGI: +13+4

Helm
STR: +12
DEX: +26
STA: +11+2
CHA: +7+3
WIS: +10+2 (no benefit, move to STR)
INT: +13+2 (no benefit, move to DEX)
AGI: +24+2

Arms (Bingo! Arms are fine!)
STR: +18+2
DEX: +18+2
STA: +18+4
CHA: +25+1
WIS: +7
INT: +9
AGI: +13+2

Now, my regular question. The forums are not an official mechanism to contact the development team with issues like this. It's not a bug and hence Q&A will do nothing with it. I can't use the feedback option in-game because it goes nowhere. How do we raise these issues formally, clearly, and constructivley with the development team?

[Yoda]

on global sets... there is "oups values" on all the war-only sets...

Warped-Steel (generic-plate group tier 2)
STR +21
STA +21
DEX +6
AGI +7
INT +7
WIS +7
CHA +7
=> 9.5 H. Stat per piece on average

Martial Steel (war-only group tier 3)
STR +8
STA +22
DEX +8
AGI +22
INT +8
WIS +8
CHA +8
=> 10.5 H. Stat per piece on average

Martial [element]steel (war-only group tier 4)
STR +10
STA +24
DEX +10
AGI +25
INT +10
WIS +10
CHA +11
=> 12.5 H. Stat per piece on average

Steel-Warped Plate (generic-plate raid tier 1) (on 7 pieces only)
STR +42
STA +37
DEX +10
AGI +5
INT +15
WIS +5
CHA +10
=> 15.5 to 18 H. Stat per piece on average

Ancient Hardened (generic plate raid tier 2)
STR +43
STA +39
DEX +11
AGI +11
INT +15
WIS +14
CHA +11
=> 18 H. Stat per piece on average

Raging Bloodletter's Hardened (war-only raid tier 3)
STR +19
STA +48
DEX +14
AGI +48
INT +19
WIS +18
CHA +14
=> 22.5 H. Stat per piece on average

Prismatic Decimator's (war-only raid tier 4)
STR +25
STA +60
DEX +18
AGI +60
INT +25
WIS +22
CHA +18
=> 28.5 H. Stat per piece on average

[Swansong]

Gloves
STR: +17+1
DEX: +21+2
STA: +19+2
CHA: +14
WIS: +4
INT: +12+2 (no benefit, move to CHA?)
AGI: +22+4

I would say moving it to Dexterity/Agility would be more apt. Gloves/hands <=> Dexterity/Agility. Seems to fit imo.

[Phantron]

Raid 3 warrior only item is chock full of heroic int/wis. Out of the 24 points budget allocated to heroic stats, you'll often find 10 devoted to heroic int/wis.

[Yoda]

see the list that I've posted, the raid tier 4 (in beta) have even more int/wis than dex...

[Yakk]

So it looks like....

A complete set of G2 gear is 7ish base heroic, even if you don't need the stat.

G2 for plate also has 21 str 21 sta.

War G3 has 8ish base heroic. It was decided that the main things that warriors care about is tanking -- so they get 22 in AGI and STA.

War G4 continues this trend, with 10ish base heroic, and 25ish in the two stats (Sta/Agi) that warriors care about.

...

The raid stuff looks far more staticly. Why only 7 slots -- bracers are lore?

...

I do understand the importance of a "base set of stats". However, it is a bad idea to have a direct tier upgrade lower a particular heroic stat on the set, as it can lead to gear inversion.

Ie, watch:

Warped-Steel (generic-plate group tier 2)
STR +11
STA +14
DEX +11
AGI +11
INT +11
WIS +11
CHA +8
=> 9.5 H. Stat per piece on average

->

Martial Steel (war-only group tier 3)
STR +11
STA +17
DEX +11
AGI +17
INT +8
WIS +8
CHA +8
=> 10.5 H. Stat per piece on average

->

Martial [element]steel (war-only group tier 4)
STR +11
STA +24
DEX +11
AGI +25
INT +9
WIS +9
CHA +11

...

Notice I kept the exact same average stat (well I added +1 to the G2 armor).

The G3 armor isn't quite as good as it was before, defensively.

No heroic stat you really care about regresses from one step to another.

...

On top of this, the idea of an average heroic stat being the aim-point of balance is a bad idea.

Classes which need more stats get screwed by this.

Instead, try "high", "medium" and "low" stats.

G2 level gear: 12 in all heroics that anyone has at medium or high, 7 otherwise.
G3 level gear: 8 in low stats, 12 in medium, 20 in high
G4 level gear: 10 in low stats, 15 in medium, 25 in high

Low stats are stats you really don't care about.
High stats are "core part of your job" stats. Regardless of how many you need.
Medium stats are stats you'd like, but can do without.

[Yoda]

only the welded-steel as 7 pieces, not all of them. the reason for that behaviour is that nobody has liked the welded-steel boots in lucy, eqitem, raidloot, magelo... if you know another source of item collection which has the raid tier 1 boots let me know.