Steam Factory at 20khp/3400ac

[Phantron]

Crystallos mobs, even named, seem to be stunnable by any pet which distorts their difficulty. I do not see any way you were ever actually tanking one of these guys straight up against the full melee DPS since they can easily do 20K of damage in 2 rounds if they got a few rolls on their side. You're talking about mob whose average hit would be close to 2000 on that kind of tanking stats, which is as high as most raid mobs hit for. Mage pets can tank Crystallos mob quite well too, even though they have some unbelievably bad mitigation, because the mob is rarely actually fighting back.

For steam factory named, if 2 healer isn't enough, bring 3. If 3 isn't enough, bring one more group. There's really not much point to try to figure them out when you can just brute force it. If you don't have extra resources available, then you probably need some elaborate plan that involves using every one of your long term disc/AAs to actually kill any of the overpowered named in there.

Forgot to add. To a lot of people farming Crystallos means killing one mob every 22 minutes while waiting for the Squire to pop. If you're limiting yourself to about 3-4 mobs per 22 minute cycle, it won't be very hard either. Given that no one actually fights the overlords or eyes, this means Air has exactly 7 mobs to pull per cycle (and I usually skip the elemental/drake pair). Ice has exactly 1 mob per cycle. Fire has about 4. Earth has a ton (though you certainly aren't required to clear more than 1 mob).

[Yakk]

Crystallos Elders are IMMUNE to stun effects. I presume Squires are as well.

If you want XP in crystallos, and more cultural drop chances, kill the eyes and golems.

Eyes require Crowd Control (as the adds that come hit hard), but golems just require AOE hate and AOE slow (or crowd control), as the total DPS of the minis doesn't sum up to much more than the DPS of the original golem.

Eyes give you 4x the XP of a normal mob for about 1.5x the HP. They spawn adds reliably.

Golems give you up to 4x the XP for about 1x the HP, but they don't always spawn adds.

You also get 4x the trash drop chances when you kill an Eye or a Golem that shatters.

[Brabble]

Congratulations, Gray.
And, nice write up.
Something about this thread makes me think it would be funny to translate your clear, clinical & precise descriptions into l33t sp3ak braggadocio and go post it on the SONY boards, bwahahaha. Unfortunately, I'm busy at work today, sigh. A pity, really.

[Grayhelm]

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[Phantron]

Mobs in Crystallos change very often so maybe they're immune to stun now, but they definitely were not in the earlier incarnations of this zone.

Overlords already hit harder than anything else in the zone besides a Squire. It also depends on when the shatter occurs because they retain the same HPs. If you get a shatter at 50% you're looking at a lot of pain coming your way. If it shatters at 10%, it's probably easy XP. I heard the golem splits dps is supposed to be lowered so maybe that already went in. In its earlier incarnation the combined DPS, while not as high as an eye + 3 pets, is still enough to hit well above 2000 DPS while disced.

[Grayhelm]

Originally Posted by Redhenna

YAY for Greyhalm for hitting top 100!

31st if you go on AA count
Not that I check!

Phantron's the server wide 3rd highest AA'd warrior.

[Redhenna]

31st sounds better, let's go with that!

[daw4888]

Originally Posted by Grayhelm

31st if you go on AA count
Not that I check!

Phantron's the server wide 3rd highest AA'd warrior.

I am like 7th or 8th serverwide in AC with no solteris loot.. do i win a cookie?!

[Bokbok]

Thank you for the post Gray and gratz on the milestone ....

Bok

[Phantron]

The guy at #1 has over 4000 though, so I don't think I'll ever catch up. The highest AA guy is a Ranger sitting at 4200+, which was kind of odd.

[daw4888]

its not to far out there... i was stuck at a few expansions with max aa.. and i was to lazy to burn glyphs just to plvl my aa count... or i could be mostlikly 1k higher then i am.. but i am lazy =I and who cares.

[Papapedro]

I was stuck at max for a few expansions myself and was just too lazy to spend glyphs some times.

[Phantron]

Everyone says they're too lazy to spend glyphs but when you start using them, you'll find that you didn't have as much AA as you thought you did when you start running into people with 4000 AAs.

[daw4888]

Well from the time i maxed my AA to the next expenaions my cleric gained over 1k aa.. and she doesnt get exp without me in group.. so 1kaa is accurate =I

[Dshiz]

Originally Posted by Phantron

Crystallos mobs, even named, seem to be stunnable by any pet which distorts their difficulty. I do not see any way you were ever actually tanking one of these guys straight up against the full melee DPS since they can easily do 20K of damage in 2 rounds if they got a few rolls on their side. You're talking about mob whose average hit would be close to 2000 on that kind of tanking stats, which is as high as most raid mobs hit for. Mage pets can tank Crystallos mob quite well too, even though they have some unbelievably bad mitigation, because the mob is rarely actually fighting back.

For steam factory named, if 2 healer isn't enough, bring 3. If 3 isn't enough, bring one more group. There's really not much point to try to figure them out when you can just brute force it. If you don't have extra resources available, then you probably need some elaborate plan that involves using every one of your long term disc/AAs to actually kill any of the overpowered named in there.

Forgot to add. To a lot of people farming Crystallos means killing one mob every 22 minutes while waiting for the Squire to pop. If you're limiting yourself to about 3-4 mobs per 22 minute cycle, it won't be very hard either. Given that no one actually fights the overlords or eyes, this means Air has exactly 7 mobs to pull per cycle (and I usually skip the elemental/drake pair). Ice has exactly 1 mob per cycle. Fire has about 4. Earth has a ton (though you certainly aren't required to clear more than 1 mob).

Not overly sure if this is in responce to me or not but I think it is. I already made clear between both my previous posts we werent killing uberly fast, my original statment was simply that it surprised me to tank in thier at all, perhaps (farm) was a bad word to use but weve pretty much gotten each of the before mentioned regular groupers what they want from earth/air and each person has at least one essence from each side. As mentioned the cleric is under geared atm so we pace ourselves but clear everything in earth/air sometimes when mage is on doing both camps, avoiding eyes as stated.

I'm not really sure what your getting at in the description of crystallos there but we dont pet the mobs, I do tank them from start to finish. The pally does tank them start to finish when im AFK. No cheats, No hacks, No tricks, just pull-tank-kill.

We could do eyes and golems if we had a chanter, as you can see from the before mentioned list of people that come with us none are a chanter. We dont avoid them due to lack of ability to kill but lack of ability to CC the adds.

On the steamfactory named we use 2 groups and yah I use my Defencive disc, does this make it less of a complishment for me? If it makes you feel better I dont use any discs in Crystallos unless we have 2 in camp. Not even for named.