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Old 12-15-2006   #1
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Weapon Proc Augs - Hate Values

This is a list of weapon augs in the game, and their approximate hate value against level 65 mobs. Note: against mobs with a lot of hitpoints, stun and direct damage hate are reduced and so against raid mobs, stun/dd hate is less effective than below. This chart is targetted generally at grouping warriors.

The following assumptions are made,

1. all proc stuns have the same hate
2. the DD portion of hate is roughly equal to the DD value

Key,

xxxh means raw hate (e.g. 700h)
xxxs means hate from a stun (e.g. 400s)
xxxr means hate from a rune (e.g. 200r)
xxxdd means hate purely from a direct damage effect (e.g. 175dd)

The first list contains hate, stun (stun+dd) or rune augs. These generate hate through a combination of effects at least some of which is not through direct damage.

Code:
Aug Name                              type   hate   dd   total
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Marble Sphere of Disgust              4      400h   --   400
Radiant Sphere of Disgust             8      400h   --   400
Rage Moss                             4      400h   --   400
Wulfenite Fragment                    4      400s   10   410
Wulfenite Chip                        4      400s   25   425
Wulfenite Shard                       4      400s   40   440
Bloodstone of Agony                   4      400s   50   450
Carnivorous Ykeshan Coral             4      400s   50   450
Hive Defender's Orb of Stinging Fury  4      400s   50   450
Wulfenite Segment                     4      400s   55   455
Jade of the Ether                     4/8    460r   --   460
Wulfenite Gem                         4      400s   70   470
Blackened Lava Rock                   4      400s  100   500
Radiant Slimestone of Shock           8      400s  100   500
Slimestone Fragment of Shock          4      400s  100   500
Sullon's Eye                          4/8    400s  100   500
Radiant Fragment of Dread             8      400s  125   525
Slimestone Fragment of Dread          4      400s  125   525
Dissonant Pitch Gemstone              8(2hs) 400s  150   550
Ethereal Sky Stone                    4/8    400s  150   550
Tainted Pearl                         4/8    400s  150   550
Lodigar's Vengeance                   4/8    400s  150   550
Darkened Hex Stone                    4/8    400s  175   575
Faerie Hex Stone                      4/8    400s  175   575
Shimmer Scale                         4/8    400s  175   575
Marble Sphere of Ire                  4      600h   --   600
Radiant Marble Sphere of Ire          8      600h   --   600
Deep Crust Fire Geode                 4/8    700h   --   700
The second list are augs which provide hate purely through direct damage effects with no listed stun, hate or rune component (work in progress)

Code:
Aug Name                              type   total
--------------------------------------------------------------
Heart of Ice                          4/8    125dd
Deep Crust Frozen Malachite           4/8    150dd
Ikaav Summonstone                     4/8    150dd
Volcanic Sink Geode                   4/8    150dd
Frozensky Stone                       4/8    175dd
Firecore Geode                        4/8    175dd
Deep Core Fire Geode                  4/8    175dd
Azure Drop                            4/8    200dd
Emblem of the Violet Order            4/8    200dd
Fellstone                             4/8    200dd
Purified Lava Vein                    4/8    225dd
1. Source for stun/dd values is http://giline.versus.jp/shiden/stun_e.htm
2. Source for rune hate values is http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...1&postcount=13
3. Source for the DD hate values is http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...046#post243046

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Old 12-15-2006   #2
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Still I know people who will maintain that CS4 is as much agro as EB

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No problem, I think I got the majority of the augs we would consider 'aggro' augs (i.e. those with more than just a DD component), but if I missed any, just let me know.
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Nice grey. I didn't relize that the wulfenite stuff was so much agro. Kinda intresting
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It's based on the theory that all stuns procs are equal and the wulfenite have stun procs in them, there's no parsing been done but that's my understanding of the work done here http://giline.versus.jp/shiden/stun_e.htm
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Is Jade of the Ether really the only rune proc aug?
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Is Jade of the Ether really the only rune proc aug?
Only one I could find on Lucy.
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why did you filled all the data in the line under the name instead of keeping them straight ?
if it was to avoid the scrolling horizontally, then a good tip (that eventually will help you alot with the number of tabs to fill in) is the put the name at the end on the row. doing this only a few (one ?) will be partially displayed and thus it won't be that dramadic.

side note: I suggest you to put in the first raw the ordered data.
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Still I know people who will maintain that CS4 is as much agro as EB
Some might 'Think' that. Its proven, it isnt more aggro than EB. /beer
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Well i'll stick with CS4.... 125 hate per proc lower but as that i'm gimp, sometimes i might want to lose agro to a better war/tank


Would you choose differently if you had to choose between CS4 and Anger3?
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hmm... what about augment procrates? Augments have their own procrate.
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Well..

No but inate weapon procrate mods (like bloodfrenzy) don't effect augs just the inate proc (is that right?).
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Some might 'Think' that. Its proven, it isnt more aggro than EB. /beer

It was also proven that CS is more agro then EB. When did stuns become fixed hate a theory that only exists on this board?

If you want to use 450dd as a generic guide for proc hate for exp mobs then wtfer do as you want, but saying stuff like the above is just silly.
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Here we go again.

Stuns became fixed hate, when thier hate was capped, I believe.
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Here we go again.

Stuns became fixed hate, when thier hate was capped, I believe.
All right ill bite, when was this?
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