need AA advice, still

[theeggman]

Ok, this is a bit early, but frankly I'm excited. Just returned, been working a little AA's until I can get EQ titanium and go from there. Think I have 17 AA's unspent right now. All my spent AA's are updated in my magelo.

Here's is the deal, I dual wield and probably will for a good while. Right now, I have to xp in BoT, PoV, HoH, Ldons. After I get EQ titanium i'll probably exp in regular OoW zones and DoN. I plan on doing a bunch of DoN's get the aggro weapons and augs.
I also plan on joining a time level guild. I'll have to backflag first.
That is the situation atm.

Now I was thinking I take a lot of damage from reposites, so I was thinking about buying all 5 levels of Slippery Attacks first, (if Castersrealm isn't lying to me about SA being 3 AA's per rank). On the sticky guide it says I should get OoW, DoDh avoidance and mitigation AA's before Slippery Attacks. So is this correct, are they that much better? I have a crazy feeling that Slippery Attacks would be a bit better, at least for me right now.

My plan was to get SA, maybe Ambidex to really make it worthwhile. Then maybe work in some Avoidance AA's, Sturdiness, mitigation AA's, ferocity, mystical attuning, swift journey and then some DPS AA's. Now for me not to get bored, I would mix thing's up a little instead of doing all of one type of AA's. I would still stick to defensive AA's at least 90% of the time, but get different types if that makes more sense.

Also one more question, how much per rank is ferocity, worn and with the AA? I just bought an aug with ferocity 2 on it (dont have any fero AA's yet), mainly for more procs. Haven't really noticed any difference though. thanks in advance

[Apsu]

I'd go SA before DoDH def aa's myself, OoW def aa's are a toss up.

Personally I went mitigation/avoidance aa's before offensive ones, but I'm mixing in offensive aa's at the same time with some other tanking aa's like the dod extended purple bar and stun resistance. But I'm on Zek, so pvp affects my choices.

Do what's fun -- we have the potential for pretty heavy dps with our offensive aa's, but it's a very long road to max both sides. When you feel that you can comfortably tank the content you're doing, then throw some dps aa's into the mix -- just focus on the tanking aa's primarily.

[Poosha]

The Ferocity AA (PoP and the new ones from DoDh) won't affect your proc rate. To get more procs, you'll need to buy Weapon Affinity AAs, or get some gear with Combat Effects on it.

I did my OoW + DoDh avoidance AAs first, and am now working on the mitigation ones. I haven't noticed a big difference in terms of raid/group survivability, although I didn't honestly expect to. It's more the kind of thing that you'd notice on a parse, I think.

Slippery Attacks is what I'll get as soon as I'm done my core defensive AAs. I, too, feel that it'll offer a better return on the investment, but I've got a powerful urge to get those damn core ones done first so that I can concentrate on fun stuff (dps + utility, mostly).

What are the two AAs that I've been happiest about buying? Weapon Affinity and Mystical Attuning. Both of those AAs have been great for me. I can actually hold aggro now with some regularity (whereas before I would struggle against rangers & knights), and it's great to not have to choose which buffs to keep or click during a raid. Those were some very well spent AAs.

[oomwarrior]

hehe gonna rip you a new 1 but i think it's for your own good

1. proc rate has nothing to do with atk rate. so you will proc the same amount over time whether you swing 100 times per min or 10 times per min.

2. quit wasting time on Innate Stamina/dex etc... you dont have 800 AA's yet so you cant afford to waste your AA's on junk like that

3. without ambidex, Ferocity, and Relentless Assault, why in the world would you even be worried about Slippery Attacks?

4. listen to pooshs the wise "What are the two AAs that I've been happiest about buying? Weapon Affinity and Mystical Attuning" and personally i'd kick in origin as something that you truely come to appreciate over time. nothing like being able to gate and book up to PoK when raid is called. gate potions gets expensive and a pain to carry if you raid alot


anyway, i'll leave you with this tid bit of advice, the primary RESPONSIBILITY of a warrior is to hold aggro. there are plenty of rangers, monks, rogs, clerics, enc's, wiz, nec's mag's etc... out there with MORE hp/ac/AA then you, but YOU are the only one "responsible" in HOLDING aggro if you can hold aggro, it's the clr's job to keep you alive. yes defensive AA's are the most important to a war, but the PRIMARY job of a war is to take and keep aggro. Weapon Affinity and Mystical Attuning are the 2 lines of AA's that will help you in that department the most. if you still want to get DPS AA's over what is talked about here, delete your war and reroll a rog, mnk, or zerk cuz you are barking up the wrong tree

[Brabble]

He already has WA 5. Looks to me like he wasted a couple of generals early and since then has been buying useful ones.
the main issue is is he better off banking AAs until he gets the rest of the expansions, or spending it on something attached to an expansion he already has.
I'd say that you could get a couple of levels even before the expansions and not hurt yourself any.

[Umvani]

.Dont lose any more aa poits by investing inyo General aas area; you simply cant affort it atm.

.It would be beter to go for OoW and DoD Avoidance/Migitation aas 1st; you will simply love those and will see/feel the difference. Complete Avoid line 1st; geting not hit is allways beter than migitating.

.Complete Sturdiness.

.Buy 3 ranks of Mystical Attuning for start; that should ease you for a while; rest you can complete as you se fit.

.Buy Ambidexterity.

.Since you dont have Ambidex, Flurry, Ferocity ext; There is no reason to buy Slippery Atacks atm; it is pointless and loss of your valuable aa points at this state.(Having bought only Ambidex wont make any investment on SA reasonable).

.For more aggro; go for Double Ripost+Flash of Steel line and the Flury line.

.Personally Delay Death had not saved me much; but Prolonged Mortality completed; is sweet. Since the line begins to make diference in the end; and not a feat that is "effective" all tru fight; it is expensive and luxury for you.

.Press The Attack and Call of Challange are great utility.

[Jearom]

Originally Posted by Umvani

Since you dont have Ambidex, Flurry, Ferocity ext; There is no reason to buy Slippery Atacks atm; it is pointless and loss of your valuable aa points at this state.(Having bought only Ambidex wont make any investment on SA reasonable).

How do you figure that? That might be true for say a beastlord but prior to Ambi and Ferocity warriors still make a lot of swings with their offhand. Flurry is completely unrelated to SA. While you might be able to make a case that those AAs (Ambi, Flurry and Ferocity) are a better investment then SA, claiming it is pointless is wrong.

Personally I consider SA a defensive AA and plan on finishing it before I get of those AAs which I consider DPS AAs. I figure it reduces the ripostes I take by around 30%.

[theeggman]

i stopped putting points into general a LONG time ago, I have WA5, aggro is fine for now. The reason for me wanting SA is for what jearom said, as a DEFENSIVE ability. Less reposites=lets hits taken. That will defintely help in reducing spike damage.

Well after looking at castersrealm just now, seems like I can only do 1 rank per level of SA and also the mitigation/avoidance AA's for levels 66, 67, 68 etc.

So since that changes things a little, should I just buy what I can for level 66, and then maybe buy 1 rank each new level? or should I just shoot to 70, then dump my AA's points into SA/avoidance.

I was planning on maxing SA, then mixing it up a little with avoidance/sturdiness, then mitigation. After those, then I can do DPS+utility.

I asked about how much per rank fero is, not whether or not I should get it. I asked because I was curious, since I bought an aug with fero 2 on it. I am under the assumption that more double attacks=more procs. Any facts on this?

I also don't see how double reposite would help me at all, that seems like a toy rather than anything useful because if I remember correctly, you can't proc on a reposite.

1. proc rate has nothing to do with atk rate. so you will proc the same amount over time whether you swing 100 times per min or 10 times per min.

I have WA5, so not entirely true.

. quit wasting time on Innate Stamina/dex etc... you dont have 800 AA's yet so you cant afford to waste your AA's on junk like that

stopped long ago.

3. without ambidex, Ferocity, and Relentless Assault, why in the world would you even be worried about Slippery Attacks?

I don't see how fero and relentless assault are related to SA since SA ONLY affects off-hand attacks. Ambidex would benefit quite well with SA since that only affects off-hand swings. Also more off-hand swings=more procs from off-hand weapons. I also said I was looking into saving up for ambidex.

I still don't know where in my original post I said I wanted to get more DPS.

Please can someone post me a link to a good thread about SA and maybe the OoW/DoDh Avoidance/mitigation AA's. I know Yoda or someone of the likes would know on what is best.
Thank you for the repsonses though, some were accurate enough

[Chatja ogre]

More swings does not give more procs. It does however give more swing aggro. More swings is good!

[osserkon]

"Since you dont have Ambidex, Flurry, Ferocity ext; There is no reason to buy Slippery Atacks atm; it is pointless and loss of your valuable aa points at this state.(Having bought only Ambidex wont make any investment on SA reasonable)"




I have no idea what you mean here. what does any of those have to do with 100% riposte damage avoided on your offhand. (SA5)

SA is a great defensive type AA.

[Vilicontus]

Old link from the library, though it only goes to PoP in terms of cost, it does answer how much Ferocity will cost you:

AA Cost

Some general thoughts on your AA progression.

1. Levels result in bigger returns in terms of survivability compared to defensive AAs.

2. Swing AAs stack with Ferocity from augs or gear.

3. Double ripostes are just for swings, so yea it doesn't help procs.

4. Ferocity and Relentless Assault AAs raise the chances of you getting a double attack, for both hands. Unless you're facing extremely heavy hitters, offhand riposte reduction is a very small part of survivability. Not to say it doesn't help, but I'm sure there were parses somewhere out there that'll prove it's not the most awesome must get AA in terms of survivability.

5. Procs are often considered as time based (per minute), and more swings just mean that you have more chances to proc if you didn't proc early in the minute. WA5 affects procs, I can't recall by how much. I think one rank of WA is comparable to Combat Effects +10 or something. It still does not change the fact that number of swings is not a DIRECT boost to procs. What affects procs are: Dex, WA/Combat Effects, Procmods, and probably one or two more things I forgot. But more swings = more procs is definitely not right.

[daw4888]

The stun immunity line is a huge aggro increase accually... not getting stuned lets you gennerate alot more aggro...