Just Bagged Bloodfrenzy and bought SoD

[Sam DeathWalker]

LoL I hope its true about stun = 1300 hate cause if I plug that into Yoda calculator and with my offensive stuffs the SoD is the 6th best weapon I can own.

So gonna mainhand SoD and offhand ShadowBash lol ... BF to the bag (drops to 43 when stuns are 1300 hate heh...)

Paid 177K for SoD I predict price to go way up if this stuff is true heh...



AA
Ambidextry 1 (=0 / =1)
Ferocity 3 (=0 / =1 / =2 / =3)
Punishing Blade 0 (=0 / =1 / =2 / =3)
Flurry 9 (=0 / =1 / =2 / =3 / =4 / =5 / =6 / =7 / =8 / =9)
Weapon Affinity 5 (=0 / =1 / =2 / =3 / =4 / =5)
Sinister strike 1 (=0 / =1); doesn't modify hate !
Accuracy 50% sets your chance % to hit your ennemy. It is used only for the dps calculation.
Mob's resistance 100% sets your proc's domage modifier due to crits / resists. (100% = no resists ; 0% = immune ; 101+% = weaker)
Worn Effect (that aren't on weapons) / Tribute
Haste 99% ( Buffed, rule: Haste = Min(Haste_v1 + Haste_v2 ; 100%) + Haste_v3 ; Haste_v1 = Max(Worn_haste ; Tribute_Haste) )
Combat effect Haste_v2=Max(spell/clicky/proc haste ; some bard song) ; Haste_v3=Max( some bard song ; some clicky (time earring) ; some disc?)
Hate bonus (Buffed, rule: total=max(worns) + max(spells) ; spirit of rage disc hasn't been parsed)
Ferocity rule: max(worns ; tribute)
Two A3 augs... Dex 350

CopperHammer of Striking does MORE agro then Notched blade of bloodletting heh.. well must be some error in the tables... nbob has CS4, well its listed as a stun ... well ...

When you set 1300 for stun in Yoda calculator this is the mainhand order list with my warrior by max agro first:

Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled
Fleshbiter
Darkblade of the Warlord
Brutish Blade of Balance
Velitorkin's Femur
Sceptre of Destruction
Great Blade of Storms
Mace of Mad Mayhem
Shadowbash
Lodestone Short Sword
Stillmoon Katana
Copper Hammer of Striking
Notched Blade of Bloodletting
Blade of Ornate Symbols
Blackout
Sword of the Bloodsworn
Blade of the Black Talon
Warscarred Cutlass
Molten Mithril Longsword
Skull Club of Chu
Bone-Bladed Battlehammer
Fabled Short Sword of the Ykesha
Mace of Memories
Veldrak's Shortblade
Valorous Quarterstaff
Thunderclap
Reinforced Sandstone-Hilt Sword
Veridix's Shortsword
Fabled Obtenebrate Short Sword *
Bone-Rending Battle Sword


I am going to have to parse this stuff some time lol ... hope I am not screwing myself.

OK here is the list for you guys with a CS4 slot 8 making the epic a lot better:


1 Fleshbiter
2 Darkblade of the Warlord
3 Brutish Blade of Balance
4 Notched Blade of Bloodletting
5 Thunderclap
6 Bone-Rending Battle Sword
7 Edge of Eternity
8 Hammer of the Last Clutch
9 Kreljnok's Sword of Eternal Power
10 Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled
11 Champion's Sword of Eternal Power
12 Crystal Dagger
13 Dragonkiller *
14 Velitorkin's Femur
15 Sceptre of Destruction
16 Allin's Mace
17 Great Blade of Storms
18 Mace of Mad Mayhem


Well a LOT depends on what Augs you have available to you. Here is with a CS4 in slots 4 and 8 both main and off.

1 Kreljnok's Sword of Eternal Power
2 Fleshbiter
3 Darkblade of the Warlord
4 Brutish Blade of Balance
5 Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled
6 Champion's Sword of Eternal Power
7 Notched Blade of Bloodletting
8 Thunderclap
9 Bone-Rending Battle Sword
10 Edge of Eternity
11 Velitorkin's Femur
12 Hammer of the Last Clutch
13 Sceptre of Destruction
14 Great Blade of Storms
15 Mace of Mad Mayhem
16 Shadowbash
17 Lodestone Short Sword
18 Stillmoon Katana
19 Copper Hammer of Striking
20 Blade of Ornate Symbols
21 Blackout
22 Sword of the Bloodsworn
23 Blade of the Black Talon
24 Warscarred Cutlass
25 Molten Mithril Longsword
26 Skull Club of Chu
27 Bone-Bladed Battlehammer
28 Fabled Short Sword of the Ykesha
29 Mace of Memories

[Yoda]

1. the v6.1 of my calculator is highly bugged both on aggro and on dps so has some off values.
2. the tests made acknowledged that stun's hate is higher than EB on high HP mobs but only the paladin's stuns have been parsed at 1300 max. We still didn't parse it for warrior's proc.
3. in XP fight, the swing aggro is very important to set aggro at the beginning of the fight, thus the proc's hate has a lesser impact.
4. my culculator seams to still calculate unaccuratly the swing number (arround 5-10% error) putting a huge variation in swing's hate.
5. melee's hate formulas have been set under some hypothesis that haven't been checked for level 70, for high ratio weapons, and for short delay weapons.

all of this leads me to not entirely trust what my calculator is currently computing.

[Varalla]

I think you will be sorely disapointed Sam.
I had an issue with an SA in my old guild alliance who had a BF/BoC Vs. my BoC/GBoS
He had about 70 some odd AA and I had all of them.
There was no incite back then and it was a LDoN raid.
Nothing I could do could take aggro from him. (I even tried GSot4W and GBoS/BoC out of desperation)
Raid leader finally told him to bag his weapons.

Keep in mind that the stuns are supposed to out aggro the EB procs on high HP mobs and stuff.
On your run of the mill 6 box mob, you may find the BF is the win on aggro.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well no matter, clearly if stun is 1300, and we don't know for sure but someone said a Dev said so... SoD moves up and BF and other similar weapons with pure anger procs move down.

I have seen my wizards take agro instantly away from my warrior when they cast their spark with stun, and never take it away when the spark (same damage) without stun is cast.

I am on the side that thinks they don't code seperate for spell stuns and item proc stuns (i.e. a stun is a stun). Thats why they had to make two spells in Lucy one for the cast and one for the proc when they did the spells damage update (see anarchy).

Just bought 2 SoDs for 177K each - a solid investment I thinks.... Dang holding 5 BoC's gonna lost big on them...


The statement from the DeV was on mobs that are dark blue or better to a level 70 from my understanding.

We will see I gonna run some tests when I have time enough of this mukkeling around.

[bardeil]

Going to a stun weapon might be OK, but I wouldn't be caught dead wielding an SoD over a bloodfrenzy. I bet you can 1 group velitorkin, kill him and get a femur if you want a stun weapon to replace your bf. Anything with a <1:1 ratio is still gonna get owned by the bf's procmod.

[Telen]

I used an SoD for a long long time before getting my BoC. BoC is definitely superior aggro to SoD, although SoD is very close and puts out higher DPS. I used to group a lot with two wizards and I noticed the aggro difference when I went from SoD to BoC.

[Detheb Ultimaweapon]

Using SoD over bloodfrenzy is sheer stupidity. Bloodfrenzy not only has a Superior Ratio, but also has almost 3x the hp, more AC, and a badass Procmod. Things you apparently didn't take into consideration.

I think you messed something up, because on your list i see this.

Originally Posted by Sam

Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled
Fleshbiter
Darkblade of the Warlord
Brutish Blade of Balance
Velitorkin's Femur
Sceptre of Destruction
Great Blade of Storms
Mace of Mad Mayhem
Shadowbash
Lodestone Short Sword
Stillmoon Katana
Copper Hammer of Striking
Notched Blade of Bloodletting
Blade of Ornate Symbols
Blackout
Sword of the Bloodsworn
Blade of the Black Talon
Warscarred Cutlass
Molten Mithril Longsword
Skull Club of Chu
Bone-Bladed Battlehammer
Fabled Short Sword of the Ykesha
Mace of Memories
Veldrak's Shortblade
Valorous Quarterstaff
Thunderclap
Reinforced Sandstone-Hilt Sword
Veridix's Shortsword
Fabled Obtenebrate Short Sword *
Bone-Rending Battle Sword

Honestly I am having a hard time believing that BBoTE Is better than Bone-Rending Battle Sword, Thunderclap, Notched Blade of Bloodletting, BBoB,Fleshbiter, and Darkblade. Why? All these weapons have a stun proc, and have so much far superior ratios. Also take into account that Darkblade has procmod and Anger is Pure Hate+Stun. Also note that Fleshbiter is a Modified Stun. That list was pretty off. The second list is much more believable. I dunno what you did on the first one, but its a screwy list. Keep using Bloodfrenzy, I can't see how you would even think to bag it for SoD~

[bardeil]

The melee dps in formula in yoda's calculator badly underestimates melee hate on slower weapons. It doesn't calculate based on the ratio, only the db and delay so fast weapons come out drastically stronger.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Detheb, That list is for my warrior only and assumes you ONLY have 2 A3 augs.... and all those stats is nothing, cept for the 50-100HP difference...



Use the list assuming you have 2 CS4 in main and off available. More realistic for most people.


Keep in mind that anarchy proc is better then CS4 (288 DD vs. 175)...

VF is just a touch better then SB... (19 del instead of 20 del).


Keep in mind this stun stuff is only valid on mobs like 64plus. So andidotal evidence about exp groups dealing with lower level mobs does not effect stun agro value against mobs 64 plus.

The question is does a BF or SoD generate more agro with a Level 70 warrior wacking on a level 65 mob....

If stun is 1300 hate and EB is 700 hate and Yoda calculator is correct (or wrong in a way that equally effects both weapons) then the SoD is better, from a pure agro standpoint.

[Friedrick]

Why do long time readers ever think that a post from Sam is anything but a hey, look at me and my gear. I am leet and just spent a bunch of pp on new crap just because I can. That is pretty much the common theme to all his threads in case you are missing the big picture.

Fried

[Shikarii]

Originally Posted by Friedrick

Why do long time readers ever think that a post from Sam is anything but a hey, look at me and my gear. I am leet and just spent a bunch of pp on new crap just because I can. That is pretty much the common theme to all his threads in case you are missing the big picture.

Fried

naaah, we've burned that bridge down years ago. now we just look at the numbers and go from there. i don't think in this day and age the whole 'l33t" idea is anything but at best a joke.

he's just got time and money to burn b0x0ring toons. he's having fun. we don't need to go dragging old animosties out anymore. let him have his fun.

back on topic; it's too bad the SoD doesn't proc 288 anymore. but i managed to pick up a Sword of the Bloodsworn pretty cheap a while back. nice combo. i can finally let my horn of hsarga get a bit dusty (stupid 35AC boost is nice! but it doesn't do anything for agro).

[Varalla]

Well Fredrick, some times you don't know with Sam.
He can be deadly serious at times and not know how completly wrong he is, or he can sometimes know he is wrong on purpose to get attention.

(I've seen both blatant idiocity and a brilliant guide from him)

I figured I give him the benifet of the doubt till I determine if hes going for an attenion getter or is simply misguided.

[regjen]

[QUOTE=Detheb Ultimaweapon]Using SoD over bloodfrenzy is sheer stupidity. Bloodfrenzy not only has a Superior Ratio, but also has almost 3x the hp, more AC, and a badass Procmod. Things you apparently didn't take into consideration.
[QUOTE]

i concur

[Sam DeathWalker]

Humm you are right its neg 200 for the spell and neg 171 for the proc... well I guess CS4 is better then anarchy then, rats...

Dang Yoda has 288 in the field ok putting in 171 instead...


Whats the best stun augs for 4 and 8? What can you actualy have at the same time so I get a proper list.

Can you have 4 CSIV's? I dont even ahve DoN so I am not sure.



What good is a 55percetn proc mod of a 700 hate vs. a 0percent proc mod on a 1300 plus 171 hate proc?

1.55 X 700 is less then 1 X 1471.

I am sure Yoda calculator would take all that into effect.


Ok here is the list with CS3 and CS4 avalible in both main and off, I guess thats possible but I don't know for sure, and with SoD having a 171 DD instead of the 288. Setting Stun to 1300 instead of 400.

1 Kreljnok's Sword of Eternal Power
2 Fleshbiter
3 Darkblade of the Warlord
4 Brutish Blade of Balance
5 Blasphemous Blade of the Exiled
6 Champion's Sword of Eternal Power
7 Notched Blade of Bloodletting
8 Thunderclap
9 Bone-Rending Battle Sword
10 Edge of Eternity
11 Hammer of the Last Clutch
12 Velitorkin's Femur
13 Great Blade of Storms
14 Shadowbash
15 Sceptre of Destruction
16 Lodestone Short Sword
17 Stillmoon Katana
18 Copper Hammer of Striking
19 Blade of Ornate Symbols
20 Blackout
21 Sword of the Bloodsworn
22 Blade of the Black Talon
23 Warscarred Cutlass
24 Molten Mithril Longsword
25 Skull Club of Chu
26 Bone-Bladed Battlehammer
27 Fabled Short Sword of the Ykesha
28 Mace of Memories
29 Veldrak's Shortblade
30 Valorous Quarterstaff


Set the Mace of Mad Mayhem to no procs as per lucy instead of anarchy as per Yoda...

BF is not even in the top 30.... GBoS is looking good and an easy camp... SoD and SB are still the best tradeable wepaons...

Again this list is ONLY VALID against mobs dark blue or higher to a level 70, and becomes more accurate the higher the level of the mob. It is not valid at all for mobs say under 65.

[rikam]

BBoTE is so high just because the insane proc mod and its being calculated at 1300 hate.