More mitigation for monks and knights

Bruenorg · 05-09-2005

From Kavhok HERE on the EQ Live boards:

Quote:

After reviewing character data from live servers to analyze defensive potential, we've increased the returns on the AC over the cap for monks and knights. The percentage return on AC over the cap for monks is now approximately 3.6 times what it was before the last patch, or a little more than twice what it is right now. This puts it very close to the return that warriors get and equal to knights.

So, "very close to the return that warriors get and equal to knights" means that knights are now "very close" to the return that warriors get.

And the reason I rolled a warrior vs. a knight is because...

Dima · 05-09-2005

Nothing to Panic about - Yet.

We'll see how the change rolls out on the live servers.

Worst Case Worst, we will still have defensive

Phantron · 05-09-2005

It's rather meaningless to speculate how much diminishing return kicks in without knowing either having devs tells us the numbers, or lacking that, a really good parse.

**Yoda** · 05-09-2005

yeah, and if it's to overpowering, they may adjust it even more, or better: give us more innate def/shielding

bardeil · 05-09-2005

It seems lame that they'll tell us % increases for over the cap AC but won't even hint at what the cap is.

**Shikarii** · 05-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dima

Worst Case Worst, we will still have defensive

= Chewbacca Defense.

Greyfin · 05-09-2005

That made me do the real LOL... here's a link so everyone can

a) take a walk down memory lane... and
b) marvel at our modern cultural references

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defence

Phantron · 05-09-2005

I think they're not telling us what the cap is because it's probably something really low (like say 2000) and make all the people who went AC feel stupid.

Inhumane · 05-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dima

Nothing to Panic about - Yet.

We'll see how the change rolls out on the live servers.

Worst Case Worst, we will still have defensive

Easy for an end-game raider like you. What about the casual peon warriors like myself? Its already a pain in the ass to find a group. Giving knights even more mitigation is going to all but knock me out of xp grouping, which is nowadays 99% of my gameplay.

Bokbok · 05-09-2005

So what bone are they going to throw warriors ??

Bok

bardeil · 05-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantron

I think they're not telling us what the cap is because it's probably something really low (like say 2000) and make all the people who went AC feel stupid.

I'm pretty sure its a LOT lower than that. 1000-1200ish. Mitigation AA work even in the low one thousands...

We still do get a return over the cap, although apparently our margin in that department is eroding pretty fast.

bardeil · 05-09-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bokbok

So what bone are they going to throw warriors ??

Bok

Du-uh. We got extended range on press the attack!

Battleblade · 05-09-2005

I don't think they are going to "throw us a bone" sometimes.

There are two competing (or at least they used to be competing) views.

1. Pure classes are entitled to very significant advantages in their narrow focus of specialization. Hybrids and versatile classes give up capability in return for versatility.

2. We're all Tanks, Healers, DPS, or Crowd Control. We should all be interchanable in performing our primary role/roles even with pure archetype classes vs all single group mobs. Any additional bonus abilities "don't count". The superior ability of some classes to solo, demonstrating the synergy between primary and ancilary skills, doesn't count.

I'm afraid SoE has bought viewpoint #2 leaving Warriors with tanking superiority that gives us our traditional raid role, but consigns us to profound inferiority in groups where our lack of ancillary skills makes us Knights without Spellbooks.

Raising the Knight return on AC is simply just "piling on" after Shield Block, the Rune, epic right clicks that improve their surivability and content designed to make our disciplines unneeded excess survivability in all single group content.

Phantron · 05-09-2005

I thought Knights AC returns are always 'very close' to what we got, which would make sense.

By AC cap I mean the region of AC where you have like PoP era gains where 1 AC = 6+ HP. I'd be really surprised if that region even hits 2000 AC.

DennyDarksavior · 05-09-2005

nah they're just gonna give us a new ability called /shielding2, not only do you shield the caster, but their pet too!

05-09-2005	#3
Phantron YOU AC WHORES!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,608 Rep Power: 24	It's rather meaningless to speculate how much diminishing return kicks in without knowing either having devs tells us the numbers, or lacking that, a really good parse. __________________ Phantron

05-09-2005	#7
Greyfin Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Orlando, FL USA Age: 45 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 19	Here, look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey! That made me do the real LOL... here's a link so everyone can a) take a walk down memory lane... and b) marvel at our modern cultural references http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defence

05-09-2005	#8
Phantron YOU AC WHORES!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,608 Rep Power: 24	I think they're not telling us what the cap is because it's probably something really low (like say 2000) and make all the people who went AC feel stupid. __________________ Phantron

05-09-2005	#14
Phantron YOU AC WHORES!!! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,608 Rep Power: 24	I thought Knights AC returns are always 'very close' to what we got, which would make sense. By AC cap I mean the region of AC where you have like PoP era gains where 1 AC = 6+ HP. I'd be really surprised if that region even hits 2000 AC. __________________ Phantron

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05-09-2005	#2
Dima my blue jeans is tight Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,171 Rep Power: 22	Nothing to Panic about - Yet. We'll see how the change rolls out on the live servers. Worst Case Worst, we will still have defensive __________________ Dima R.I.P. Solusek Ro, March 23rd

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Yoda The MS Office Paper Clip Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 32 Posts: 8,353 Rep Power: 29	yeah, and if it's to overpowering, they may adjust it even more, or better: give us more innate def/shielding

05-09-2005	#5
bardeil /cons Red. Like the board. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MI Age: 35 Posts: 1,264 Rep Power: 20	It seems lame that they'll tell us % increases for over the cap AC but won't even hint at what the cap is.

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Bokbok Veteran User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Salt lake Posts: 209 Rep Power: 18	So what bone are they going to throw warriors ?? Bok

05-09-2005	#13
Battleblade The Brigitte Bardot of TSW Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston Age: 64 Posts: 3,773 Rep Power: 24	I don't think they are going to "throw us a bone" sometimes. There are two competing (or at least they used to be competing) views. 1. Pure classes are entitled to very significant advantages in their narrow focus of specialization. Hybrids and versatile classes give up capability in return for versatility. 2. We're all Tanks, Healers, DPS, or Crowd Control. We should all be interchanable in performing our primary role/roles even with pure archetype classes vs all single group mobs. Any additional bonus abilities "don't count". The superior ability of some classes to solo, demonstrating the synergy between primary and ancilary skills, doesn't count. I'm afraid SoE has bought viewpoint #2 leaving Warriors with tanking superiority that gives us our traditional raid role, but consigns us to profound inferiority in groups where our lack of ancillary skills makes us Knights without Spellbooks. Raising the Knight return on AC is simply just "piling on" after Shield Block, the Rune, epic right clicks that improve their surivability and content designed to make our disciplines unneeded excess survivability in all single group content.

05-09-2005	#15
DennyDarksavior Veteran User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	nah they're just gonna give us a new ability called /shielding2, not only do you shield the caster, but their pet too!


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