stun = 1000 hate?

Seraz · 03-13-2005

ok im getting super confused with so many theories but lets get it straight once and for all... is stun really 1000 hate? is chaotic strike as great as everyone says? can anyone confirm that a stun that lasts for 1 sec > a 0.0 sec stun? or stun > EB?

Grumbam · 03-13-2005

no.

Stun is not > EB for hate (it's more DPS if you're into that, if DPS is your thing you should be a ranger/rogue/monk though )

0.0 sec stun isn't any less/more hate then 1.0

People who talk about stun being worth 1000 hate are speculating wildly about the modifier from epic affecting it ... this mod would affect EB/Anger procs to the same degree.

Stun is worth aproximately less then Anger3 (600 hate) but more then Anger2 (400 hate) ... mist people use 450 as a convention.

The reason Chaotic Strike is good is it gives DECENT enough hate to tank with, but higher DPS then straight anger procs and it can actually interupt casters at high level (ykesha can't actually stun migh level mobs)

Sarcazzm · 03-13-2005

again, why would soe give warriors eb if stuns were better?

Elladon · 03-13-2005

Slight mitigation from CS puts it over EB imo

Pure hate is daft

**Yoda** · 03-13-2005

before GoD and the buch of people saying that stun's worth between 300 and 1000 hate depending on mob HP and lvl, it was admited that stuns are arond 400 hate worth (du to some PoN parses). this winter a dev said on live board that all stuns are constant and don't vary depending on a mob's formula. so I don't beleave those that say stuns are 1000 hate worth untill they expressly shows combat logs of their parses.
but the second polimic, on which I have seen no proof from either side, is hate mode that don't (or do) modify pure hate spells. with EoA CS4 would be around 595 hate (if stuns are 400), while A3 would be 600 if it aren't affected by EoA, or 690 if it is.

SupportTank · 03-13-2005

i get my number of 1000 hate from pallies who i play with regular basis and can take arggo away from me with only a few stuns.

i did not mention eoa effects to stun at all.

but again i would like to see hard numbers before i back away from that claim.

**Yoda** · 03-13-2005

palies does have stuns with different hate values that goes up to 1000 hate, but its comes from their DD component...

retsin · 03-13-2005

Sure is a lot of speculative voodoo being tossed around on these boards lately.

**Yoda** · 03-13-2005

yeah, I hopped to give back the will to parse things again when I posted my calculator (that has too much assumptions) but none were made to back up again or to correct it, the only one that has been made and that 've got results were already well known to me

Elladon · 03-13-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupportTank

arggo

The word is AGGRO

It really makes you look even more like you are talking BS when you can't even use the correct terminology ~

SupportTank · 03-13-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elladon

The word is AGGRO

It really makes you look even more like you are talking BS when you can't even use the correct terminology ~

nice trolling next? personal attacks do nothing but prove you have nothing to say or add.

/flame on

Grumbam · 03-13-2005

Quote:

Slight mitigation from CS puts it over EB imo

Weapon procs don't help your mitigation.

or maybe you mean mobs somehow "Mitgate" hate from procs?

That's plainly false also.

I think you should go back to school son.

daw4888 · 03-13-2005

he is saything the stun procs help with mitigation, and yes they do, its not a ton, but its a little.

Sarcazzm · 03-13-2005

stunning a mob causes it to stop attacking breifly thus a slight damage mitigation boost in the form of less incoming attacks. this imo is the only advantage to stun, and a small (perhaps negligible) one at that. stuns are nice for CH'ers and gaters though...

daw4888 · 03-13-2005

the only advantage.... its far from the only one.. the Extra DPS from a 175 and 150 damn stun procs is pretty nice.

03-13-2005	#1
Seraz Veteran User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Perth Age: 24 Posts: 244 Rep Power: 19	stun = 1000 hate? ok im getting super confused with so many theories but lets get it straight once and for all... is stun really 1000 hate? is chaotic strike as great as everyone says? can anyone confirm that a stun that lasts for 1 sec > a 0.0 sec stun? or stun > EB?

03-13-2005	#2
Grumbam Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Connecticut Age: 39 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	no. Stun is not > EB for hate (it's more DPS if you're into that, if DPS is your thing you should be a ranger/rogue/monk though ) 0.0 sec stun isn't any less/more hate then 1.0 People who talk about stun being worth 1000 hate are speculating wildly about the modifier from epic affecting it ... this mod would affect EB/Anger procs to the same degree. Stun is worth aproximately less then Anger3 (600 hate) but more then Anger2 (400 hate) ... mist people use 450 as a convention. The reason Chaotic Strike is good is it gives DECENT enough hate to tank with, but higher DPS then straight anger procs and it can actually interupt casters at high level (ykesha can't actually stun migh level mobs) __________________ Last edited by Grumbam; 03-13-2005 at 06:41 AM.

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Sarcazzm Veteran User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: MS Age: 28 Posts: 759 Rep Power: 19	again, why would soe give warriors eb if stuns were better? __________________ Sarcazzm - Tauran Warrior Sarcasm - Orc Warlock Sarcazzm - R.I.P.

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Elladon Veteran User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 565 Rep Power: 17	Slight mitigation from CS puts it over EB imo Pure hate is daft __________________ The Clerix

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SupportTank Veteran User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 113 Rep Power: 18	i get my number of 1000 hate from pallies who i play with regular basis and can take arggo away from me with only a few stuns. i did not mention eoa effects to stun at all. but again i would like to see hard numbers before i back away from that claim. __________________ I'm Gunna Rip'em a new one! -Duke Nukem

03-13-2005	#5
Yoda The MS Office Paper Clip Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany Age: 32 Posts: 8,353 Rep Power: 29	before GoD and the buch of people saying that stun's worth between 300 and 1000 hate depending on mob HP and lvl, it was admited that stuns are arond 400 hate worth (du to some PoN parses). this winter a dev said on live board that all stuns are constant and don't vary depending on a mob's formula. so I don't beleave those that say stuns are 1000 hate worth untill they expressly shows combat logs of their parses. but the second polimic, on which I have seen no proof from either side, is hate mode that don't (or do) modify pure hate spells. with EoA CS4 would be around 595 hate (if stuns are 400), while A3 would be 600 if it aren't affected by EoA, or 690 if it is.

03-13-2005	#8
retsin Veteran User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	Sure is a lot of speculative voodoo being tossed around on these boards lately. __________________ View Retsin's Equipment -- \| -- View Sert's Equipment (via Magelo Proud Guild Leader of Noble Rage

03-13-2005	#13
daw4888 Veteran User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,230 Rep Power: 20	he is saything the stun procs help with mitigation, and yes they do, its not a ton, but its a little.

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