Quarm Ring Stacking Issues ..

[EmiliaEQ]

I'm having some trouble reading lucy.

These are the codes for the "Form of XXX" series
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=3855&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=3856&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=3854&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=3857&source=Live

While the < Parameter confuses me a bit i am fairly positive
i have gotten this correctly.

For example :
1: Stacking: Block new spell if slot 3 is effect 'All Resists' and < 21
and
3: Increase All Resists by 20

So one is +20 the other is < 21 ....

While the numbers indicate they should stack, the stacking line says they dont.
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/stacking.html?id=3857&source=Live
So i guess you can only have 1 form up.

Now Quarm Ring :
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=3631&source=Live

My plans are to go for Bertox Mask (+180hp) and Quarm Ring (+45ac +15saves).

While i am almost positive that RZ Ring & Quarm ring wont stack
(RZ = +54ac slot10 , Quarm = +45ac slot10, shouldnt work)
And that "Form of XXX" will not stack among themselves.

I am totally confused about the Quarm Ring.
It adds AC like RZ ring, but is not in the Stacking line List

Anyone have any experience with these 2 or know someone
that has a combination of Quarm Ring + Form of XX ?

Thanks in advance

[Phantron]

Quarm ring should stack with the other two effects (HP/regen) that it does not give. However I don't know of this first hand. I have Quarm ring but don't plan on getting either the Veil of Inferno or Belt of Tidal Energy.

Assuming there's no error in stacking obviously all the form of XXX is supposed to block each other. Originally the illusion part blocks each other (can't have 2 illusions) but Enchanter were projecting form of XXX on other people for free. So that means if you have form of XXX up first you can't put Quarm ring next because Quarm ring has effect from form of XXX, but it should work the other way, i.e. Quarm ring first and then form of XXX (HP or regen) since form of XXX only blocks, not overwrites, effects.

[Swobu]

My GF has both Quarm ring and Bertie mask and they do stack if you put em on correct order: Ring first then mask. But since Eternal Ward only lasts 20 min and Form of Endurance lasts 36 min, she oftens only has Form of Endurance on - unless she is maintank.

[Hydramada]

Swobu is correct. The quarm ring does stack with the bertox mask if you buff the ring first. It is somewhat a pain in the ass to have the ring fade first but such is life in the world of Sony.

[Chatja ogre]

Just reapply before it fades eh?

[Phantron]

nm didn't read the above post carefully.

[Swobu]

No you can't Chatja - that's the sucky part. If you got both effects on and ring is fading and you reclick, you get the "Wont take hold" msg.
Every 20 min you have reapply both clickers - which mean it's a pain in the ass :/

[Dubb]

That's a pain in the ass I'd like to have. :)

[Frax]

yes sounds horrible :P

[Brodda Thep]

Yeah, seems to matter which order you do them with on the form of rejuvenation also.

[Phantron]

The order matters because Quarm ring doesn't block other effects but the Form of XXX does. Therefore you want Quarm ring on first, form of XXX second.

[Sythrak]

TZ's resist debuff AE also overwrites the Quarm ring effect, I found that out the hard way as my dumbass self had the effect at the bottom of my buffs...