FGOS or BBB which easyer to get? [Archive]

dethvegi1

04-08-2008, 11:03 AM

I might desagree, Sam may be capable of getting a BBB (http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/showpost.php?p=261633&postcount=2) if he wait for the fabled event to end.

What were you trying to link there Yoda?

on a side note, I'd be mildly impressed if you could even get passed the first trash mob in tacvi. Haven't been there in a while, but I'm pretty sure they still put out some good dps. The goat lady would definitely wipe your crew though.

I'm not sure how you would manage the adds of the fabled dres. Unless you try to tank them all at once? I just don't see you surpassing that encounter either though.

Yoda

04-08-2008, 11:40 AM

damn copy/paste... I've fixed my links...

Sam DeathWalker

04-08-2008, 12:00 PM

I ment this BBoB maybe called:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=30344

I did Suru once before with some other people, its not hard just takes awhile. I don't think that the BBB he drops is more agro then my current BF / BoTE. But Rune3 is just perfect as I really need aoe agro.

Surely though once the keys are removed from all those zones there must be some agro upgrade for me.

bardeil

04-08-2008, 12:14 PM

Get a fleshbiter from uqua. That would be quite a boxing feat, but not necessarily undoable. You'd need two tanks though.

I don't think BBB is going to be an upgrade for you. That said, if you can't box seru, you should probably quit EQ, it's damn near trivial now.

Make sure you camp the jade of the ether if you want AE aggro too.

Ouruk

04-08-2008, 12:15 PM

Camp the new one-group weapons in SoF unless you're ready to take on events that spawn adds. After Luclin most raid encounters added in add-mechanics to complicate events, and, although a lot of these adds are pretty wussy. Without a comprehensive method of dealing with multiple spawns at the same time while dealing with a larger raid mob, your gang is screwed.

If you do have a method of dealing with adds and moving quickly from area to area you could conceivably obtain PoTime gear once the flagging requirements are removed (Darkblade of the Warlord from RZ) but in reality the new 1-group items are much easier to obtain, and have arguably better stats and only slightly poorer aggro generation.

It would be interesting to hear from you if you tried Uqua for a Fleshbiter...

Sam DeathWalker

04-08-2008, 12:40 PM

Ya I was just looking up the zone for fleshbiter right now... humm I don't know about all these adds all the time (or haveing to clear through 6 mobs), but that zone wide aoe seems handelable. And that new chanter spell (knockback root) might be solid CC. Also I think I only have to do the furious guy and not the higher mobs, although FB would drop less from him still.

bardeil

04-08-2008, 01:18 PM

Uqua would be pretty easy for you i think, the hardest part would be the bit where you have to split your force to kill two mobs at the same time. The traps would be more or less trivial for your dps, and they're way out of date wrt dps output. I'd forgotten about killing construct, i'd be surprised if you couldn't get to him with some practice.

Killing Barxt, now that's where the real challenge would be =p

Time is definitely box-friendly, but the need to move around could be a problem in phase 1. I doubt you can handle fighting all 5 at the same time, you're gonna have to move some groups in the middle of fighting to get all 5 trials down. If you can get to P4, I imagine you could clear the rest of it.

TessVaz

04-08-2008, 01:31 PM

One group (with decent DPS) can do Time P1 under 10 mins/trial. Even sitting out 1 group of wizards (18 person max per trial) he "should" do fine, if he can handle all the unmezzable adds.

Yoda

04-08-2008, 03:09 PM

when fabled event ends, you should go farm earth for a SEWS (upgrade of BBB but not as good as RoSW), it should help your AE aggro tremendiously...

Khabok

04-08-2008, 05:19 PM

Uqua easy, lets see him just get through a gas chamber! Although I guess he could just keep trying the same key, and trying to heal all the AE damage till ya get lucky and it works. But trying to read the emotes on 24 characters, see the one that got the right emote, and click that key all in the 10-15 seconds it gives you would be a feat.

Vanidor

04-08-2008, 05:33 PM

Audio triggers would work with that. Make a custom voice one saying 'Jagged' or whatever and it would work. Leave a cleric outside a ways and they can click through a little while later after the doors unlock again(3-5 min I think).

Sam DeathWalker

04-08-2008, 05:58 PM

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/spawns/uqua-outline.jpg

Well I just have to get to "furious" and do him until it drops. So one gas chamber. Dont plan to do any other mob cept him. Hopefully there will be a safe spot where I can log out / in at.

I guess I better read up on these gas chambers. Well there is 4 keys, has to be one of them ya so a bunch die, just so I can run a DA cleric though I guess..

I guess the other choice would be the twisted sword from the sqire in crystolos

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=27697

I heard the squires used to be super easy but are stonger now ... don't seem to be adds though.

defaced

04-08-2008, 06:20 PM

how do you intend to kill squire without him shreding your tank...

Sam DeathWalker

04-08-2008, 06:24 PM

4 clerics and 1000 AA.

13 Wizards for DPS.

Single Mobs, if they dont have lots of adds or some crazy aoe should be the best type for me to go after even if they hit hard and fast. 4 clerics is a lot ... Plus I get shammy, cleric, ranger, chanter and sk buffs on my warrior all the time.

Humm CoH works in all SoF zones (including Crystolos), dosn't work in uqua ...

Mophios

04-08-2008, 06:37 PM

i have seen tanks 3-4x better than yours get wasted in crystollos really fast. hell i have a hard time tanking in there wiht a mian cleric and my 2 box clerics and shm, it may be doable so if you can GL to you i got my twisted blade a couple days ago and am liking it so far. so GL sam

daw4888

04-08-2008, 06:41 PM

Athy

04-08-2008, 09:20 PM

Crystalos is only getting easier.. They nerfed DPS output on Squires I remember reading. If you can get one to pop , they are easier to tank than trash. Random pickup groups without CC we routienly pull eyes and golems ( Golems = 4 yellow con kills Good Exp with lesson on. )as we exp and wait for names. With some AC on you rounds aren't 20 K they are 11K and less. I have 11300 second parse of my last night in there.. Everything is under 11K in a round. No spikes like you are reporting.

Last night I was invited to a pickup group of 5 (war,cleric, mage,boxxed mage, sham). We killed 236 mobs with no group deaths. No squires in our 6 hours of casual grouping.. farmed Trio and did see an elder drake that dropped a sandblasted charm for the cleric. Ohh.. and a Exquisite Spinner. I won that.

Waiting for the named is just tedious when the group wants to farm exp.

EDIT: This was the earth camp if you wondering where we were.

Korshatiz

04-08-2008, 11:06 PM

Out of those listed in this thread the only weapon he has a remote chance of getting without any outside help is the crystallos weapon. I still don't see you being able to tank there with your bot squad very well, but chaining your big nukes with the wizards spread apart you probably could zerg it dead.

Uqua, eh I don't see you being able to do it since you would have to get the construct dead to have a chance at it dropping.

defaced

04-08-2008, 11:10 PM

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/character_profile.vm?characterId=631360498778 2600 ac 15k hps not quite cryst tank material even with 4 clrs will be hard as hell to keep him up

Sam DeathWalker

04-09-2008, 01:02 AM

Ya my raw hp and ac is bad but everything else is good. Cept my weapons lol ..

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=68742

dosnt Tqiv Qukret the Furious drop the fleshbiter, and you only have to kill just him to get his drops right?

I know I look sad unbuffed but here is what I fight at all the time:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1263&d=1202159832

Grayhelm

04-09-2008, 01:52 AM

No he doesn't drop it, the list on Alla has been broken for ever.

Please, try Uqua, and video it, please.

One simple test, can you kill 4 mobs in Fort Mech at the same time, because I'm pretty sure the Flurry Golems will still put out that kind of DPS.

Yoda

04-09-2008, 02:42 AM

Sam, you should really concentrate on getting the crystalos drop... if you can't kill both the construct and barx then you chance of getting the flechbitter is really slim... see the graphic below and counts your attempt at them before the first killshoot...

Grayhelm

04-09-2008, 03:05 AM

I'm still not sure how he's going to survive the multipulls (while some people argue the DPS on these mobs is 'trivial' these days, it's not non-existent and every death = chain of spiralling death), then I'm not sure how he's going to get through the ovens (much hate for the other name used), then he has to tank and kill the flurry and rampage golem at the same time, then he has to clear both wings of more flurry golems and rampage golems and more trash (with a timer running), then he has to kill both the twins, at the same time, with them both randomly banishing toons from one side to the other, then he has to survive the 6-trap, and *then* he can fight the golem which drops the sword.

So yeh, I want to see the video of that being 24boxed.

Sam DeathWalker

04-09-2008, 03:30 AM

Ok forget fleshbiter ... I thought I just had to do that one mob ... Well looks like all this no key stuff dosnt do me much good and its SoF all the way ...

That new chanter root/knockback spell is very powerfull for multipulls ...

Grayhelm

04-09-2008, 03:43 AM

The difference between owning 24 clapped out garbage vehicles and 6 top-of-the-line cars is beyond compare.

Do yourself a favour, do more with less.

Grayhelm

04-09-2008, 04:01 AM

Ok forget fleshbiter ... I thought I just had to do that one mob

This highlights one of my other reservations about opening raid zones (and note, I have absolutely no problem with the EP's being open for free access, I'm interested in Qvic, Txevu, Tacvi, Time in this context).

There's hardly anything 'to do' for people who couldn't get flagged.

It doesn't help the target audience. It helps people who already raid that stuff but are running light on backflags, it helps people who can 1/2group the stuff for minor upgrades for alts, it helps people zone in and go 'oooh look Txevu, what can I kill', but these are raid zones, with raid events, and timers/structures that enforce teamwork.

Ah well, I'm still harping on I guess.

Frael

04-09-2008, 06:19 AM

Go and get yourself an Experimental Clockwork Blade (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=101239) , thats really the best weapon you're capable of obtaining.

Grayhelm

04-09-2008, 06:37 AM

Oooh, Fizzil drops it? Cute, and we were at that camp for 4 hours and I never knew. Fingers crossed next time.

Khabok

04-09-2008, 05:48 PM

Grayhelm

04-10-2008, 03:03 AM

Actually the Construct in Uqua does drop sword, thats what mine came from last year. Really surprised me at the time cause no one seemed to know for sure if he could drop it, but its a damn rare drop from him.

We know he does, Alla also lists it as dropping from one of the twins, which is clearly wrong.

Sam DeathWalker

04-10-2008, 04:14 AM

Wow I just ran the calculator, I'v got noob weapons basically.

Even Axe of Vine Hewing is upgrade. Ya I guees that and a jade of eather and Experaimental Clockwork are what I better head for asap. Or offer like 8 million plat (I have 10 rotting in the bank) for some decent weapon.

Compared to all these other mobs the shademaul is looking simpler. Taht cat is the problem but ...

Yoda

04-10-2008, 04:42 AM

[...]I'v got noob weapons basically.[...]and they are on par with the rest of your gear...

Mendler

04-10-2008, 10:05 AM

You can't handle Porthios. Go try the weapon in Ashengate.

Sam DeathWalker

04-10-2008, 12:11 PM

"most guilds kill porthios but mindwipe nightshade away from the raid."

Hey my gear isnt all that bad but ya I am falling behind ...

daw4888

04-10-2008, 12:29 PM

I couldnt single group Porthio.. means you stand no change at boxing it.

Kudedor

04-10-2008, 12:32 PM

Yes, your gear is that bad.

Until you actually read the replies to your posts and go gear up your tank, you are always going to be dragging along behind the pace of the game.

Get his AC augs, max his avoidance, do the normal things any tank has to do in order to tank current content. Not having your 1.5 is inexcusable. We were one-grouping these before 75 in group gear. Not having a good aug set after playing this long is also ridiculous. You need to go 6box some DoD missions, get the good augs and get DSK access. You need to go camp RSS/AG/FC/Vald and every other zone that has a major aug upgrade for your tank. The week or three it would take you would make the difference between pwning group content with your crew or continuing to bottomfeed. If you had done this years ago, you'd be boxing a lot more raid content by now, and farming the top end of the group game. Instead... look at you. That one character, out of all 24, is what is holding you back. You can make up for shortcomings with your other characters by having many of them. Nothing will make up for having a tank that will consistently get one rounded in decent group content.

I don't care how many clerics you have, you will still get one-rounded anywhere that matters. Because of your incredibly undergeared tank, I can 2box things you can't group. If you actually geared up that ONE character, you could box Shyra+. That's it and it's that simple. For years, you've sucked because your tank sucks. You don't seem to get it and you don't listen, so you will probably continue to underachieve. How hard is it to go and just camp your damned augs? How long would it take you to blaze through the 1.5? Hell, why don't you have his 2.0? 10M and you can't get gimped in to loot a globe? Quit being lazy.

You have campfires now. How hard is it to move through a dungeon when you can hotkey the insignia, set a couple of fires, and click everyone to the new spot in seconds?

Mendler

04-10-2008, 12:34 PM

None what so ever. Zero, nada, not a snowball chance in hell, not a chance of you getting laid in this century kind of way.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Get to Crystallos and loot the sword that drops there if you can get flagged. I assume you could.

EDIT: For the love of all that is good, listen once in your life to Kudedor's post. You wont regret the time it took, everyone on this board would agree.

Mophios

04-10-2008, 03:17 PM

i 6 boxed the war 1.5 in 1 day, with my 6 box crew 2War 2clr 1wiz and 1shm took alittle time but i also raided that night and finished the final fight after i got done raiding.

Sam DeathWalker

04-10-2008, 11:38 PM

Kudedor

04-11-2008, 12:44 AM

Yes, it is that terrible. It wouldn't be terrible for someone just starting or catching up, but you have been at this for a long time.

Everything I said still stands. Everything that people have been telling you for years still stands. Your four clerics mean squat. It doesn't matter how fast heals land when you get rounded. Gear up your tank or you simply can't do anything worthwhile. You've been wasting your time achieving almost nothing for a few years now, wouldn't you like to actually kill something that a group geared warrior/shaman can't two-box?

It's easy advice. Take it.

Solkwar

04-11-2008, 03:07 AM

come on sam you gotta upgrade that guy

Gibagby

04-11-2008, 03:30 AM

I'm not entirely familiar with your history Sam or what advice you have been given in the past. However, I'm going to give some.

The first and foremost thing, the easiest thing, the thing that will only take time is to get your entire crew to level 80 asap! It will make a huge difference. With that knocked out of the way you should then focus on what Kudedor said and get that tank beefed up. With your resources (I box 4, can't imagine doing 24) you could EASILY bump your warrior's AC up several hundred points.

One upgrade just looking at your gear in the image above is Oil Cans (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=4357) for your charm

You could also try Kellak the Serpant Lord, but he might tax your tank as well. At 4200 AC his max single hit on me was 5.7k non disc and he had a couple 12k rounds in there. He drops a nice war/sk/pal/brd ear. There are a couple other TSS 24 man raids you could attempt for some nice upgrades if you beefed up your tank.

You could definitely do the 1.5. Another huge advantage.

Grayhelm

04-11-2008, 03:40 AM

You have 500Ac less than my warrior.

*500*

Swansong

04-11-2008, 04:21 AM

Look I know I am behind for sure but Im not completly crippled, well we will see. I guess most of the older content stuff is out of reach right now though. This is what I fight at, with normal buffs, thats not all that terrible, consider 4 clerics on me.

Yeah, it really is that terrible. Go back and read Kudedor's last two posts, stop defiantly digging your heels in and gear up your warrior. Don't you want to raid Anguish once it gets unkeyed? You could you know, if you'd just gear up your warrior a little. You could do Keldo (probably) and Ture (definately) npnp, providing you get your warrior some gear.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if you could do Hanvar, and I very much doubt you could do Jelvan (would easily be the most impressive thing I've ever seen if you did). So no 2.0 globes for you unless you can do one of those two.

Grayhelm

04-11-2008, 05:46 AM

The sadest thing about that inventory is the charm.

Frael

04-11-2008, 06:37 AM

Get to Crystallos and loot the sword that drops there if you can get flagged. I assume you could.

Don't assume anything, I very much doubt he could get flagged for crystallos.

Kudedor

04-11-2008, 09:31 AM

One upgrade just looking at your gear in the image above is Oil Cans (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=4357) for your charm

That charm quest is most likely impossible for him. If he somehow survived the Marauders until 50%, the adds would destroy him. I guess it is possible for him to kite it, but I doubt it.

I had a blast tanking the Cog Marauders. I had a cleric and druid spam healing me, full shaman and druid debuffs, shield tanked with PS and Tribute (over 3600+ AC/21k HPs, max avoidance at the time (damn you SoF armor), shaman epic + AA heals at key moments, every AA and clicky was probably used, and shaman off-rooting one of the adds the instant it spawned. It was definitely doable, but it was exciting. I can't imagine Sam's tank handling the Marauder alone, much less one or two adds.

Granted it was 3 people playing 6 characters, but we are pretty good IMO.

Kellak would be short and funny, for Sam. He would need to pass my warrior in gear to make it doable, and he still hasn't caught my warrior's level 70 AC (even with the help from raising defense and heroic AGI).

I don't like to pile on Sam, but this is ridiculous. He has completely wasted years of possible progression, simply by refusing to take a week or two off of 24 boxing and gear up his damned tank.

Sam DeathWalker

04-11-2008, 12:53 PM

Thats what I am doing right now, is getting to 80. I'm going to be interested to see what my chanter can do at 80, as far as handeling adds. The SK experiment of offtanking was a failure ... but that new knockback/root spell the chanter has has been excellent so far.

Yes the warrior is the most important character (hense him having 1000 aa vs. 500 for the next best), but like a guild, the warrior is not everything, if you can burn mobs down fast then you don't have to servive as long. If you have tons of healing you also dont have to be as strong, but yes the warrior gets all the loot first and I spend millions of plat on him.

LoL I have all those oil cans rotting heh (cept the maraders). Keep in mind Im at the end game trade skill wise. Ill be making the TS charm at some point for my suxzors charm slot. I have the components already, and 10 million plats to buy more.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=37480

Anyway time to get back into the game, finally all my new computers is up - better not have any shut downs in games after spending 3K and 1 month of work.

Kudedor

04-11-2008, 01:12 PM

For you, your warrior is everything. Level 80 will not do for you what your 1.5/2.0, mod2s and augs will do.

No, all the healing won't help you. No, all the DPS won't help you. You simply can't survive against anything that you need to kill.

At any point, if you had stopped and gotten your augs and a few key items, you would have experienced a huge jump in power for your entire crew. Those augs and items would not have been replaced, much, in the last two years. You would have been playing at a much more effective power level for the last two years and would have beaten much better content and would have found even your XP grinding to be amazingly easier. You would be farming old raid targets regularly and drooling at the thought of these raid zones opening.

Instead, you are still trying to hit 80. I came back in December and played erratically with a small group until RL intervened in March. I hit 80 and gained a few hundred AA and a decent amount of gear while helping undergeared returnees to catch up and goofing off in old raids. How much time have you been putting in this whole time?

Don't even level to 80. Stop now. Go get your epic. Go get the augs. Go max avoidance. You should have done this as far back as DoD. To wait longer is to continue to play at 20% or so effectiveness for no reason at all, plain and simple.

That tank is the fulcrum on which your progress is leveraged. Every little bit of power in the remainder of your characters is either multiplied or divided by the tank's ability. At 80 he will be even more relatively handicapped. More so than in a raid guild, a group depends on the tank to make content trivial or impossible. You've been making it impossible for no reason for years. How many more ways do I need to put it?

Bedavir

04-11-2008, 01:36 PM

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/143/level78juststatsga8.jpg

Ummm ... that's really fucking terrible. I don't care how many clerics you got on you.

Gibagby

04-11-2008, 02:50 PM

Honestly guys, it's not that bad for a casual warrior. What makes it bad is CONSTANTLY being able to field a support team of 24 people AND being at that level of tankage.

Kudedor

04-11-2008, 03:08 PM

Honestly guys, it's not that bad for a casual warrior. What makes it bad is CONSTANTLY being able to field a support team of 24 people AND being at that level of tankage.

Exactly. Sam is anything but a casual. He has stated he wants to farm good gear. For a heavier grouping warrior those stats are horrible.

And, actually, I know a few hardly-play casuals who passed those stats by a large margin in TSS. They did it buy asking questions and actually listening to the answers. Nothing I am advising is difficult in the least. The 1.5 is a joke, even with Sam's stats. Flameshield stones take nothing except a little bit of time. DoD missions might be the hardest thing I have mentioned other than 2.0. Shadowy Student in DSK is afk-half asleeep campable by a PoR geared level 70 warrior/shaman boxer. The Vald aug is both safe and easy to camp. The only difficulty lower-geared people had with that camp was the DPS, and that is the one thing Sam should have. Heck, I simply trained the named out the first couple of times when TSS was new. The AG aug is not only easy, it's common as hell.

For a truly casual non-raider those stats are alright (but a bit low if you have been playing the character for as long as Sam has). For a non-casual non raider, but not hardcore, those stats are either very low AC or signify a new character who hasn't had time to camp augs. For a 24 boxer who has been talking about Porthio for forever and a day, those stats are a very unfunny joke.

Edit: Don't forget that those are buffed stats. What does that mean for Sam?

AC: 89 from aura, 124 from Temerity, 64 from Cloak of Scales, 27 from FoD1...
Maybe 2430 unbuffed AC?

HP: 1500 from Campfire, 2400 from Temerity, 935 from Bloodworg, about 150 from Vehemence?, 150 from LAA, 650 from Naggy familiar, 213 from Bladewalker...
Maybe 13.8K HPs? It's less if those are rk2 or 3 buffs.

That is assuming no Tribute was running.

Go look at Dyciere, who just recently came to these boards, asked for advice, and took it. He's right there with Sam (better, really, considering he did his epic) and he is still working on the augs, with no cultural armor to beef his stats up and no box crew to make all those camps a cakewalk. I bet he doesn't have the HP AAs Sam has, either. On Dyciere, those same stats look sexy, and are looking better all the time. On Sam they make me boggle.

Mendler

04-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Pretty funny my gimp cleric has 400 less ac than he does or maybe less. I forget now but you get my point.

I puked a little in my mouth when I looked at that magelo.

Sam DeathWalker

04-11-2008, 03:50 PM

The weapons and charms slots is what need some upgrading. Im losing a lot in those 3 spots. Anyway like I say. Getting Axe of Vine Hewing and Jade of Eather as my first moves ... and getting everyone to 80.

Ya the warrior is no doubt by far the most important character I have. Maybe I have to buy my way into some good weapons. I could offer 8 million plat for the right item.

Kudedor

04-11-2008, 04:27 PM

OK, I am headed to RSS. In a week or so, I hope to be done with the Shadowy student and I can't wait to have those 9 easy aug upgrades! Lol, by then, AG should be pretty cake for the hour or two it should take me to get the Crest of the Scarlet Legions, lol. I'm going to burn my Stone of Essence in a bonfire on Saturday. I'll put the Reef Swimmer fetish in that spot, I think. If I can't find more melee focusses on items, I'll atleast move those OOW augs to my type 12 slots. Heh, don't know what I was thinking there. That should leave me plenty of room for the 30/30 aug I am GARUNTEED when I complete the Last Migration mission. I wonder which I'll get first, the Jade of the Ether or the Steelward Stone? Hey, does anyone have any advice on more items like the Polished Caracite or Fabled Fire Idol, that I can camp so easily and quickly?

Ya the warrior is no doubt by far the most important character I have. Maybe I have to buy my way into some good weapons. I could offer 8 million plat for the right item. Of course, once I finish my 1.5 this weekend, that globe for my 2.0 is only going to cost me a couple of hundred k, lolz.

Why can't I quote this sort of statement from you? As usual, all you are thinking about is the least of your problems.

Please =p Think past your weapons.

Catamander

04-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Absent major work on your main tank's ac you could have 1000 clerics on you and you will not make it past T2 of SoF.

Ditch the TS jewelry man, get some stuff in there with type7 slots and then add the shard of the guardian to those slots.

You really need to be buffing to nearer 3500ac.

Do not pass go, do not collect 200$, do not sorry about weapons, fix your ac and fix it fast. That means you need to get at least 10 more ac augments of 25 or higher ac each, get the warrior-only FC ring, get the TBS orum-bought bow, get that awful belt replaced immediately with even just a 30+ac 250+hp one from bazaar, you can nab a wicked easy charm with 30ac and mediocre hp from Loping Plains named orc right next to the BMK entrance, etc. Everything I have listed there I boxed with 6 toons or less while wearing Praetorian in 7 of the 8 visible slots, so they ought to be totally trivial to you.

mcast12

04-12-2008, 06:22 AM

Sam, I've followed your gang for a few years (you got me boxing), i used to look at your war for boxable upgrade tips. I shake my head at your magleo now.

This (http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1025766) is what I achieved 6 boxing in 5 months, after a 2 year break. (war, clr, shm, brd, rog, rog)

The bazus and 2.0 CoA part (6 boxed the rest) needed assistance from my small (18) guild, 1.5 should be a joke for you. The SoF armor is almost on par with cultural + bazu, if you can't do shyra. I also 6 boxed crystallos access and all the drops with crappy SoF T2 armor.

EQ is designed around a good tank, good healing and dps, you're completely ignoring probably the most important item in there. If I used my tank and your 23 other bots, the mind boggles at what I could do.

Sam DeathWalker

04-12-2008, 09:12 AM

Ya I am falling behind, keeping six computers up and running isnt all that easy but Ill be logging back in in the next few days with my new systems.

I am sure I can do shyra, me and another boxer did her once and got him the aug.

Well I am going for the axe of vh, the ceb, the jade of eather and last bloods (or if I fail then bazu).

I doubt you would be where you are now if you were on Zek.

Well your guy has a lot of elegant/sublime/bazu ... which is something i can get.

Yoda

04-12-2008, 02:36 PM

when/if Qvic acces gets unflagged get the Vadds gauntlets for their aggro mods instead of the epic1.5... but the epic2.0 would still be better both as ratio/stats and as aggro mods than ECB+vadds

Rildoan

04-13-2008, 12:26 PM

:eek:
Seriously, Sam, wake the fuck up.
The weapons and charms slots is what need some upgrading. Im losing a lot in those 3 spots. Anyway like I say. Getting Axe of Vine Hewing and Jade of Eather as my first moves ... and getting everyone to 80.

Ya the warrior is no doubt by far the most important character I have. Maybe I have to buy my way into some good weapons. I could offer 8 million plat for the right item.
Thats what I am doing right now, is getting to 80. I'm going to be interested to see what my chanter can do at 80, as far as handeling adds. The SK experiment of offtanking was a failure ... but that new knockback/root spell the chanter has has been excellent so far.

Yes the warrior is the most important character (hense him having 1000 aa vs. 500 for the next best), but like a guild, the warrior is not everything, if you can burn mobs down fast then you don't have to servive as long. If you have tons of healing you also dont have to be as strong, but yes the warrior gets all the loot first and I spend millions of plat on him.*snip*
You fail at reasoning. Why are you a warrior if you don't need to survive as long and be as strong as you possibly can? I don't care about your DPS on the mob, how you can kill a named mob in 30 seconds, or how many clerics you have that is chaining heals. What I do care - you cannot survive.

You say you have four clerics continuously hotbutton-Complete Healing you. Try doing this with only ONE cleric and ONE shaman/enchanter. Wait, that's not hard enough... try doing this with only the druid healing you and no slower! Your warrior at its current state - with all the fancy cultural armor - have WORSE gear/stats than my warrior at the end of May 2007.

As it is, your warrior is the Achilles' Heel of your entire guild, and that's not even including the crappy armor your SK has. Your raid is only as strong as your weakest and most crucial toon, and right now that toon is your warrior. You can say that warrior DPS doesn't matter, why then are you proposing to get new weapons when, given your existing gear, you have a chance of dying? And you have five healers (4 clerics and 1 shaman) backing you up! WTF man, this shit's not making any sense!

Forget about weapons. Your first goal is how to make your warrior survive much longer than the time needed for your raid to kill a yellow con mob, not shorter, and definately with no defensive disc running. Your second goal, after the first goal is achieved, is more agro. After that you can start caring about your DPS. For most of the melee/caster classes, their DPS is zero if they die. For the tanks, their agro/DPS is zero if they die. Right now your warrior is trying to gain more agro from the guild lobby. I wish this is a joke, but it's true in your case.

/sigh

Whatever. You dun wanna read what everyone else is saying about you, fine. Go get your weapons. Go dream about tanking Sverag Maxis. It won't matter. You won't survive unless you change your thinking right now.